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[j-roadtatts 1,129]

So I am pretty set on the Michelin Harmonys all-seasons. I wouldn't mind getting The Bridgestone Blizzacks winter tires, but I hate having to take my car in to have the tires swapped every 6 months. SO I am trolling the local papers for a second set of rims, maybe with tires.

[dem beats 1,223]

damn I'm so tired.

[Godsmack 361]

Just sore here

[Mac N Cheese 90]

weekend starts...after one more class

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

My 3 day weekend starts tomarrow. Sore and tired here.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

Building Lego Pirate ship with my daughter this morning. You guys with sons are lucky. She is kicking its ass though, with very little help.

[///M5 2,833]

Youtube vid

This has been common knowledge for quite some time. I can understand why it has not been done on commuter cars as I don't think it would be too attractive and not many people would like it, but on semis, trains, and plains, this could save so much energy it's ridiculous. The ONLY negative I see is repairs. It would be almost impossible to match a curved surface without replacing an entire panel.

I would say, on a semi, train or airplane they probably replace the entire panel anyways because its cheaper to replace it then to keep the machine down for that long. I'm sure an engineer could come up with a easy way to manufacture dimples into it

They are stamped anyways, just change the die. Real easy. Obviously the benefit isn't so real though otherwise they would. An no, they don't I've been up fclose to many.

[///M5 2,833]

Good point. F1 budgets would allow them to do a TON of research on optimizing it as well.

I don't think it would work for them. They need the air flowing over the car for down force. F1 is all about controlling down force. That's what gives them the control they have. If you're stalling the air, you are decreasing the down force which will help top speed, but when you go to take a turn at 150mph, you are dead meat.

You'd just need to change the "wings" then. Obviously a lot more to it, but if you can cut the wind better you'd gain a lot of speed adding downforce is easy in comparison. The efficiency gains if real would definitely pay off.

Again a guess, but I can't imagine it not being the case.

[///M5 2,833]

Building Lego Pirate ship with my daughter this morning. You guys with sons are lucky. She is kicking its ass though, with very little help.

J, we are lucky no matter the sex.

[Adrian_D 520]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVndz0SzJaY

This has been common knowledge for quite some time. I can understand why it has not been done on commuter cars as I don't think it would be too attractive and not many people would like it, but on semis, trains, and plains, this could save so much energy it's ridiculous. The ONLY negative I see is repairs. It would be almost impossible to match a curved surface without replacing an entire panel.

I'd be down for using some kind of sheeting on the car for long trips. At least on the hood and roof.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

Building Lego Pirate ship with my daughter this morning. You guys with sons are lucky. She is kicking its ass though, with very little help.

J, we are lucky no matter the sex.

Lucky that they are more into Lego's. She started the same ship like a year ago.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVndz0SzJaY

This has been common knowledge for quite some time. I can understand why it has not been done on commuter cars as I don't think it would be too attractive and not many people would like it, but on semis, trains, and plains, this could save so much energy it's ridiculous. The ONLY negative I see is repairs. It would be almost impossible to match a curved surface without replacing an entire panel.

I'd be down for using some kind of sheeting on the car for long trips. At least on the hood and roof.

Same.

[dem beats 1,223]

My kid is into napping. He's also a big fan of meal times and playing catch.

He's only 3 and can outsprint any NFL top guys, needs to bulk up though only 180.

[///M5 2,833]

Need to feed him more cat Matt.

[///M5 2,833]

Building Lego Pirate ship with my daughter this morning. You guys with sons are lucky. She is kicking its ass though, with very little help.

J, we are lucky no matter the sex.

Lucky that they are more into Lego's. She started the same ship like a year ago.

My wife wants to buy our son a stove and stuff to play cook with for Christmas. I had one and think I almost turned out okay, so perhaps he can to.

[///M5 2,833]

<--reducing Turkey stock right now. House smells fucking awesome. And NO, I will not be using the Electrolux "Perfect Turkey" button on Thursday. I did almost shit yesterday when my turkey was cooked in an hour and 15 minutes though. Holy fuck that's fast.

[dem beats 1,223]

Need to feed him more cat Matt.

No doubt.

He's started cleaning the fat cat that's so big he can lick his own ass. The wife has not agreed after these cat's go, no more kittehs.

[dem beats 1,223]

Did you find a heritage turkey Sean?

[Adrian_D 520]

Good point. F1 budgets would allow them to do a TON of research on optimizing it as well.

I don't think it would work for them. They need the air flowing over the car for down force. F1 is all about controlling down force. That's what gives them the control they have. If you're stalling the air, you are decreasing the down force which will help top speed, but when you go to take a turn at 150mph, you are dead meat.

Damnit, I was just about to type that !

[dem beats 1,223]

I think F1 has banned that particular line of enginearing. Kind of like the special texture paint/skins.

And they do use little units on the wings to create the same effect. Just localized to where they can maximize the benefit.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Did you find a heritage turkey Sean?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Good point. F1 budgets would allow them to do a TON of research on optimizing it as well.

I don't think it would work for them. They need the air flowing over the car for down force. F1 is all about controlling down force. That's what gives them the control they have. If you're stalling the air, you are decreasing the down force which will help top speed, but when you go to take a turn at 150mph, you are dead meat.

Damnit, I was just about to type that !

Great minds....

[The enD 467]

Good point. F1 budgets would allow them to do a TON of research on optimizing it as well.

I don't think it would work for them. They need the air flowing over the car for down force. F1 is all about controlling down force. That's what gives them the control they have. If you're stalling the air, you are decreasing the down force which will help top speed, but when you go to take a turn at 150mph, you are dead meat.

Damnit, I was just about to type that !

Do you guys remember, there was a thing that added a lot of down force to F1, but was banned. I can't remember where I watched it, Discovery maybe. It was placed under the car by one of the teams and they won many times in a row. They didn't want to share the secret so it was banned.

But trains and planes definitely should dimples...

[///M5 2,833]

Did you find a heritage turkey Sean?

No, but I decided I will do that with a smaller group instead of the expanded family. Going to Cub to buy mine today.

[///M5 2,833]

I don't really see how the dimples could be banned, in particular in all racing. You'd think someone would do it if it truly helped. As stated efficiency is a separate problem from downforce so those engineering tasks should be independent.