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[ssh 924]

Okay I'm done talking about this.

[ssh 924]

<- Doesn't really give a shit anymore.

[dem beats 1,223]

You discuss that your main goals are geared towards goals and not what you eat, so why not try what works for 100% of the people who are in the profesional field of sports nutrition and/or body building.

Measure our 6 meals of boiled chicken breast or grilled fish, and 6 servings of oatmeal or barley or whatever grain you want, and 6 servings of green vegis. Then get the old people pill organizer and get your vitamins and sups ready for the week. Have a shake in the AM and after work out, and maybe some cottage cheese around bed time if you don't want a fat and protein drink.

It took me 20 min in the morning to make 6 full meals for the day. And it worked. And everyone I know it has worked for. I ate that shit cold, I nuked it if I could, I would no kcal sauce if I needed, but that almost never happened. To deviate meant I didn't have a control and I wouldn't know how things worked. Basically it was just lieing to myself.

After a few months you would eliminate all your variables. You would find out quickly what works and what doesn't work when you add and subtract something new to that program.

For 12 years I have been working in nutrition, training people, or active in the community. Worked on a research study with a supplement company once too. I have a really broad scope and a lot of experience working with this for money or for passion for over a decade. When in highschool I did too, but I don't really count it.

So yes if you smash completely against the paradigm it throws up a red flag. I came to you asking you why you choose to do it that way. You could have said because I like butter, so eff off and let me drink butter. But you chose to explain why. I countered argued with the your own facts and you get all bent out of shape about it.

Do what you want man, I just have a nature where I point things out.

[dem beats 1,223]

Okay I'm done talking about this.

Probably a good idea.

[dem beats 1,223]

<- Doesn't really give a shit anymore.

You are not being honest with that statement. You are just pissed with me and think I'm a thick headed asshole. You are still passionate about your goals.

[dem beats 1,223]

Anecdotaly it also helps to smooth out the graininess of a lot of the whey products, and helps to stop clumping as it dissolves like a CHAMP.

That's funny, I find it grainy. Not so used to eating my fats in powder form though. Stefan if you want butter powder I can tell you how to make it *gags*

....maltodextrin? It isn't a fat, it's a funky carbohydrate made from the breaking down of starch.

In cuisine is it used as a fat?

not quite "as" a fat, lol

I read more. That is how you get all the powdered fats. Interesting.

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[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Love TrueNutrition.com. All the supplementation I need for ~$1 a day with their bulk pricing

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[ssh 924]

You discuss that your main goals are geared towards goals and not what you eat, so why not try what works for 100% of the people who are in the profesional field of sports nutrition and/or body building.

Measure our 6 meals of boiled chicken breast or grilled fish, and 6 servings of oatmeal or barley or whatever grain you want, and 6 servings of green vegis. Then get the old people pill organizer and get your vitamins and sups ready for the week. Have a shake in the AM and after work out, and maybe some cottage cheese around bed time if you don't want a fat and protein drink.

It took me 20 min in the morning to make 6 full meals for the day. And it worked. And everyone I know it has worked for. I ate that shit cold, I nuked it if I could, I would no kcal sauce if I needed, but that almost never happened. To deviate meant I didn't have a control and I wouldn't know how things worked. Basically it was just lieing to myself.

After a few months you would eliminate all your variables. You would find out quickly what works and what doesn't work when you add and subtract something new to that program.

For 12 years I have been working in nutrition, training people, or active in the community. Worked on a research study with a supplement company once too. I have a really broad scope and a lot of experience working with this for money or for passion for over a decade. When in highschool I did too, but I don't really count it.

So yes if you smash completely against the paradigm it throws up a red flag. I came to you asking you why you choose to do it that way. You could have said because I like butter, so eff off and let me drink butter. But you chose to explain why. I countered argued with the your own facts and you get all bent out of shape about it.

Do what you want man, I just have a nature where I point things out.

All I was trying to achieve was finding a way to add more kcal into my diet, so that I don't limit my potential gains from my workouts, and using butter seemed like a good idea as I was already getting plenty of protein and carbs. If I didn't have an issue with appetite, I would simply eat more real food, but I can't. So yes I could drink juice or sugar water all day and net the same thing plus have higher insulin levels, but I choose to use fat instead because I don't want elevated insulin levels throughout my entire day. I'm sure I could drink sugar water all day, get more kcal, and probably wouldn't develop diabetes, but I'd rather not fuck with the possibility when I don't have to.

I haven't smashed against the paradigm. I take protein and carbs before wo, carbs during wo, and protein+carbs after wo then later eating more carbs protein and fat. The only difference is I'm choosing to eat additional kcal from fat, and not solely carbs--which I don't believe is that out of whack.

You've pissed me off so I know I'll regret this later, but if you worked in the industry for twelve years and know so much then why the fuck do you have metabolic syndrome, and diabetes? Perhaps you were just predisposed, and I'm an asshole? Either way, I find it interesting.

Edited January 11, 2013 by stefanhinote

[ssh 924]

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[dem beats 1,223]

You discuss that your main goals are geared towards goals and not what you eat, so why not try what works for 100% of the people who are in the profesional field of sports nutrition and/or body building.

Measure our 6 meals of boiled chicken breast or grilled fish, and 6 servings of oatmeal or barley or whatever grain you want, and 6 servings of green vegis. Then get the old people pill organizer and get your vitamins and sups ready for the week. Have a shake in the AM and after work out, and maybe some cottage cheese around bed time if you don't want a fat and protein drink.

It took me 20 min in the morning to make 6 full meals for the day. And it worked. And everyone I know it has worked for. I ate that shit cold, I nuked it if I could, I would no kcal sauce if I needed, but that almost never happened. To deviate meant I didn't have a control and I wouldn't know how things worked. Basically it was just lieing to myself.

After a few months you would eliminate all your variables. You would find out quickly what works and what doesn't work when you add and subtract something new to that program.

For 12 years I have been working in nutrition, training people, or active in the community. Worked on a research study with a supplement company once too. I have a really broad scope and a lot of experience working with this for money or for passion for over a decade. When in highschool I did too, but I don't really count it.

So yes if you smash completely against the paradigm it throws up a red flag. I came to you asking you why you choose to do it that way. You could have said because I like butter, so eff off and let me drink butter. But you chose to explain why. I countered argued with the your own facts and you get all bent out of shape about it.

Do what you want man, I just have a nature where I point things out.

All I was trying to achieve was finding a way to add more kcal into my diet, so that I don't limit my potential gains from my workouts, and using butter seemed like a good idea as I was already getting plenty of protein and carbs. If I didn't have an issue with appetite, I would simply eat more real food, but I can't. So yes I could drink juice or sugar water all day and net the same thing plus have higher insulin levels, but I choose to use fat instead because I don't want elevated insulin levels throughout my entire day. I'm sure I could drink sugar water all day, get more kcal, and probably wouldn't develop diabetes, but I'd rather not fuck with the possibility when I don't have to.

I haven't smashed against the paradigm. I take protein and carbs before wo, carbs during wo, and protein+carbs after wo then later eating more carbs protein and fat. The only difference is I'm choosing to eat additional kcal from fat, and not solely carbs--which I don't believe is that out of whack.

You've pissed me off so I know I'll regret this later, but if you worked in the industry for twelve years and know so much then why the fuck do you have metabolic syndrome, and diabetes? Perhaps you were just predisposed, and I'm an asshole? Either way, I find it interesting.

You realize you never mentioned a fear of diabetes before? Makes sense. We all have fears. I get nervous around heights. Either way, drinking butter, or any other fat, as a way to make up kcal is really against almost every nutritional guideline when discussing sports nutrition. Most people just man up and eat the extra food, or drink it. There are water soluable complex carbs you know.

But you made your point, you are afraid of diabetes, so you feel fat > carbs. I can dig that. Thanks for being honest.

Hmmmmm, metabolic disorder? I have an immune disorder, been there since I was a child. I also had my soft spot removed shortly after birth, and I am sure that is interesting and has weight to your statement too. My feet are also extremely wide. I have diabetes probably related to that and the fact it runs in my family and my stress level is pretty crazy.... and I have an immune disorder.

What I know, what I have done, and what I have taught really doesn't have any bearing on my current status. It's interesting you mention that though.

I didn't know how personal you took me asking you to defend your position, I'm honestly am sorry I scuffed your e-pumas.

[ssh 924]

More then anything it was just a major annoyance as I felt it was going absolutely no where--all the while in the back of my head I remember you mentioning you had so much experience in the field, yet some what recently developed diabetes.

I have a stance that the majority of one's health falls to their diet, exercise, and lifestyle. I'm not saying genetics don't play a role, but I feel that the majority of the time they aren't the reason why John Doe had a heart attack, diabetes, etc. I just get tired of hearing people saying "it runs in the family," so therefore it's predisposed, and whatever I do diet or lifestyle wise is immaterial.

I will admit that I haven't spent that much time researching anything to support this stance, so it's sort of a prejudice.

Fwiw everyone on my mother's side has had heart attacks. My great grandfather died at age 55, and my grandfather required open heart surgery in his forties. My grandmother is a diabetic, has Alzheimer's, and dementia. I still genuinely feel I'm at an even playing field as almost everyone else for a healthy life regardless of all that family background--perhaps I'm wrong.

[ssh 924]

<- Should have been in bed hours ago.

[dem beats 1,223]

Thank you for the olive branch. I'm not upset about it, just disapointed it got personal for you. I get it, but me being healthy, eating health, living a healthy lifestyle have nothing to do with what I did before, what I know, or who and how I have helped. Oncologists get cancer, and endo's get diabetes. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. The fact my stress level is through the roof, I worry about more money and lives in a month than many do in a year, and I just got out of a 6 year nightmare probably all have something to do with it. Also the fact 2 years ago I was 120 pounds heavier probably took a toll.

Here is the difference though, you are looking to make/achieve a goal and have had some stumbling blocks. I offered you a solution that has worked for everyone I know including myself when I cared about the issue.

The other fact is I can lift as much as I want/need. I can still run better than my room mate who is at least 20% lower bf% than me. I also know how, for certain without a doubt, how to change things in my life to achieve any new goals I have. Because I have been there and done it and put through the hard work.

You whine about it being hard to eat. It's tough for some guys. Just like some guys find it tough to stop eating. You are more worried about diabetes that won't happen than you are about heart disease that won't happen either. It's just a choice and you said it.

[dem beats 1,223]

<- Should have been in bed hours ago.

HA! my sleep schedule probably plays a huge part in my problems. I don't sleep regularly at all.

[dem beats 1,223]

Something else that might be a little shocking, there is not a lot of info linking carbohydrate, or sugar for that matter to developing diabetes.....

The predominant theories are based on the fact they linked sugary drinks to being fat/overweight and then overweight to being a big risk factor. It's similar to the saturated fat is bad for you theory. They kind of just kicked out the data they didn't like because when you are diabetic there is sugar in your blood. Well fat build up in your blood is like sugar build up in your eyes, or other organs. And diabetes itself really isn't a "killer". It's the associated heart disease that is.

I didn't know any of this before, but I was shocked even more when the ADA posted a study about how there isn't a significant relationship between sugar intake and the onset of diabetes. In fact in it made a connection between the group with a higher sucrose intake to be weigh less, and be less likely to have diabetes. It's the only large study but that shit cray.

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. I'm sure I could drink sugar water all day, get more kcal, and probably wouldn't develop diabetes, but I'd rather not fuck with the possibility when I don't have to.

But yet you'll eat 4 sticks of butter and have no fear about cholesterol problems or CVD.

I have to chuckle.

[Julian 641]

Just eat chipotle for every meal, lol 1,000 calories average per burrito.

[SS Teacher 177]

I'm so glad every child gets a free breakfast at school, now they get to throw more trash in the bushes!

[///M5 2,833]

Anecdotaly it also helps to smooth out the graininess of a lot of the whey products, and helps to stop clumping as it dissolves like a CHAMP.

That's funny, I find it grainy. Not so used to eating my fats in powder form though. Stefan if you want butter powder I can tell you how to make it *gags*

....maltodextrin? It isn't a fat, it's a funky carbohydrate made from the breaking down of starch.

In cuisine is it used as a fat?

not quite "as" a fat, lol

I read more. That is how you get all the powdered fats. Interesting.

I figured you'd read If not, I'd answer. More fun to read though.

[///M5 2,833]

More then anything it was just a major annoyance as I felt it was going absolutely no where--all the while in the back of my head I remember you mentioning you had so much experience in the field, yet some what recently developed diabetes.

I have a stance that the majority of one's health falls to their diet, exercise, and lifestyle. I'm not saying genetics don't play a role, but I feel that the majority of the time they aren't the reason why John Doe had a heart attack, diabetes, etc. I just get tired of hearing people saying "it runs in the family," so therefore it's predisposed, and whatever I do diet or lifestyle wise is immaterial.

I will admit that I haven't spent that much time researching anything to support this stance, so it's sort of a prejudice.

Fwiw everyone on my mother's side has had heart attacks. My great grandfather died at age 55, and my grandfather required open heart surgery in his forties. My grandmother is a diabetic, has Alzheimer's, and dementia. I still genuinely feel I'm at an even playing field as almost everyone else for a healthy life regardless of all that family background--perhaps I'm wrong.

In Mexico, 90% of our company got sick. Of those 90%, 100% of them carried one hell of a medicine cabinet with them. The 10% of us that didn't don't medicate. Environment and your way of interacting with it is a bitch. More interesting the 10% also followed me around and ate street food on top of the all inclusive stuff.

[///M5 2,833]

Something else that might be a little shocking, there is not a lot of info linking carbohydrate, or sugar for that matter to developing diabetes.....

The predominant theories are based on the fact they linked sugary drinks to being fat/overweight and then overweight to being a big risk factor. It's similar to the saturated fat is bad for you theory. They kind of just kicked out the data they didn't like because when you are diabetic there is sugar in your blood. Well fat build up in your blood is like sugar build up in your eyes, or other organs. And diabetes itself really isn't a "killer". It's the associated heart disease that is.

I didn't know any of this before, but I was shocked even more when the ADA posted a study about how there isn't a significant relationship between sugar intake and the onset of diabetes. In fact in it made a connection between the group with a higher sucrose intake to be weigh less, and be less likely to have diabetes. It's the only large study but that shit cray.

Perfect postlude to my Mexico story. You choose your own perils in life. Some are of course given to you but you can surely alter them.

[///M5 2,833]

Just eat chipotle for every meal, lol 1,000 calories average per burrito.

Lord, once a year is too much.

[ssh 924]

. I'm sure I could drink sugar water all day, get more kcal, and probably wouldn't develop diabetes, but I'd rather not fuck with the possibility when I don't have to.

But yet you'll eat 4 sticks of butter and have no fear about cholesterol problems or CVD.

I have to chuckle.

Your simply ignorant.