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[ssh 924]

And since I'm sure someone is wondering:

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I am just curious.............why the Soy Protein?

J

He is trying to get in touch with his feminine side.

Yeah isn't there something in soy that mimics estrogen, or something along those lines?

[ssh 924]

Haven't done situps in years. I could probably do 60 pushups, and a 13:45 if I had a wild pack of dogs chasing me.

Gimme pedals and I will show you some speed

It's pretty funny in traffic at times to see peoples faces when I sprint out of an intersection. Riding in bike lanes and speeding past people with fancy-pants bikes with my 20 year old bike is also funny.

I bet. I saw that a lot in SF, but it's the norm there. People in suits and ties ripping around cars, and hoping over curbs on road bikes.

[ssh 924]

For the first time since I turned 18 I actually partied on my birthday. Spur of the moment party too

So was she good?

[ssh 924]

I was born and raised Catholic never ran into anything like this. I don't know anyone who believes in God, Allah, Mogammed, etc, who acts like this response. The atheists can be just as ignorant as those who believe in a supreme being.

More ignorant in many cases.

I admit I'm terribly ignorant.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

The inbred hillbilly is in a class alone only bound by incest and moonshine.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

And hand formed string instruments

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And since I'm sure someone is wondering:

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Soy Protein Isolate 20%

Whey Protein Concentrate - Super Grade 20%

Whey Protein Isolate Cold-Filtration 20%

Gemma Pea Protein Isolate 20%

Protease Enzyme Complex

I am just curious.............why the Soy Protein?

J

He is trying to get in touch with his feminine side.

Yeah isn't there something in soy that mimics estrogen, or something along those lines?

Indeed, sir. Soy protein is actually more suggested for women then men.

Soy is also rich in estrogenic compounds, such as genistein and daidzein; however, research is conflicting as to whether or not it can cause increases in estrogen in males.

A 2007 study by Goodin et al. reported that 56g of soy protein powder per day caused serum testosterone to fall 4% in four weeks in a test group of 12 healthy males.

[Adrian_D 520]

For the first time since I turned 18 I actually partied on my birthday. Spur of the moment party too

So was she good?

Yeah, the party was good

[Adrian_D 520]

I've just watched Tron Legacy, pretty cool movie. And since I listened to the soundtrack beforehand, it made it that much more fun to pay attention to it

[jonbearsmt 919]

ill miss your kind smooth voice while watching a shark kill a baby seal the most Morgan freeman, rest in peace.

[Adrian_D 520]

I see your news and raise you a possible debunk :

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00053721.html

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Slept wrong............fuckin neck is crecked.

J

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And since I'm sure someone is wondering:

Rice Protein Concentrate 20%

Soy Protein Isolate 20%

Whey Protein Concentrate - Super Grade 20%

Whey Protein Isolate Cold-Filtration 20%

Gemma Pea Protein Isolate 20%

Protease Enzyme Complex

I am just curious.............why the Soy Protein?

J

He is trying to get in touch with his feminine side.

Yeah isn't there something in soy that mimics estrogen, or something along those lines?

Might want to tell that to a few hundred million southeast Asians

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

The latest studies into soy protein suggest it does not decrease testosterone and raise estrogen, as previously thought.

The first of these studies, presented at the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) Meeting, May 2004, and sponsored by the US National Dairy Council, found the post-workout consumption of isonitrogenous and isoenergetic soy drink to be statistically significant in hastening mass, fat-bone free mass (FBFM) and increases in strength, when compared to other post-workout formulations (skim milk and maltodextrin beverage), both of which had a similar degree of efficacy⁶.

This study demonstrated that intact proteins from both soy and milk protein are effective in supporting muscle hypertrophy, lending a degree of support to soy as a legitimate post-workout nutritional beverage.

This studies method involved randomizing 34-subjects to milk (n=12, skim milk), soy beverage (n=11) or maltodextrin beverage (n=11) (note: n= number of subjects per randomized group), using a double-blind allocation process.

Participants trained 5 days-per-week on a whole body split resistance training program and consumed 500ml of their assigned drink immediately and 1h post-exercise following every training bout.

The most recent study into soy as an effective aid to muscle-building (this study served to help dispel the notion that testosterone decreases in concert with soy consumption), was presented on April 5 2005, and underwritten by the Solae Company.

They found daily supplementation of soy protein, whey or a soy/whey blend resulted in an increase in lean body mass and did not negatively affect testosterone or estradiol levels in 41 male athletes engaging in a weight-training program (9).

The study's purpose was to compare the effect of supplementation of 50-grams-per-day of four different protein supplements in combination with resistance training on lean body composition and serum sex hormone changes in males.

The method of this study involved, over a 12-week-period, the 41-subjects consuming protein shakes twice daily and participating in three hypertrophy-oriented sessions per-week.

The protein shakes consisted of either soy protein concentrate (SPC), soy protein isolate (SPI), a soy/whey blend composed of a 50/50 mixture of SPI with whey protein concentrate (WPC) and whey protein isolate (WPI), or whey protein composed of a 50/50 mixture of WPC and WPI.

The Study Found

• All of the protein sources resulted in the desired affect of increasing lean body mass. In addition, there was no difference between the supplement sources on changes in testosterone levels.
  
• The lean muscle mass gains that were demonstrated in this study are consistent with prior research looking at how soy and whey impact lean muscle mass in conjunction with an exercise regimen.
  

Discussion

• Athletes who incorporate both soy and whey protein in their nutritional regimens may benefit from their different rates of digestion and amino acid absorption. Whey protein digests more quickly, while soy protein digests more gradually.
  Together, they may provide a more prolonged, deliberate release of amino acids to key muscle groups.
  
• In addition, soy protein consumption may provide additional health benefits including a reduced risk of coronary heart disease when combined with a healthy diet. Recent studies also demonstrate that soy protein consumption may reduce the risk of certain kinds of cancer including prostate cancer.
  
• This study is consistent with other studies, which have demonstrated that soy protein has unique benefits for exercising adults in improving antioxidant status. These findings indicate that soy protein can help combat free radical formation during exercise, which may help speed muscle recovery after exercise.
  

The Experts Speak⁹

Douglas S. Kalman, M.S, R.D., Director of Nutrition & Applied Clinical Research at Miami Research Associates says:

Greg Paul, Ph.D., director of health and nutrition for The Solae Company says:

• "These results are consistent with prior studies which have compared the effect of whey protein and soy protein on lean muscle mass, and supports the notion that dedicated athletes may benefit from a nutrition regiment that includes both soy and whey proteins.""The results of this study show that soy protein is just as effective as whey protein in building lean muscle mass as part of a dedicated exercise and nutrition regimen, while contradicting the myth that soy protein may negatively impact testosterone levels in men.
  

"We believe that this study validates that soy protein is safe and just as effective as whey protein in helping exercising males achieve their fitness goals and supports the development of lean muscle mass."

Benefits Of Soy Protein

A review of the research into soy consumption for health purposes, uncovered many benefits.

1. Soy protein has a 1.0 PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid score) score - the highest possible. The PDCAAS is the standard measurement of protein quality.
   
2. Soy protein increases the nutritional value of other foods due to its complete amino acid profile.
   
3. Soy has been shown to reduce the likelihood of heart disease through its ability to lower cholesterol^{1 12}. Results from a meta-analysis of 38 clinical studies concluded that soy protein consumption may help lower total blood cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol as compared to animal protein consumption.
   In 1999, the FDA determined that four-servings of soy protein per-day could reduce LDL cholesterol (the bad type, HDL being the good) by up to 10%.
   Although soy helps to lower LDL, it doesn't effect HDL status, which is also a good thing. The American Heart Association also recommends the consumption of soy protein (with naturally occurring isoflavones) as part of a heart-healthy diet for those with elevated total and LDL cholesterol.
   
4. Soy protein is also thought to reduce the risk of other illnesses such as colon, breast and prostate cancer^{2 3 7}, as well as osteoporosis. Research has shown several bioactive compounds found in soybeans (isoflavones being one) to reduce the risk of certain cancers⁷.
   
5. Soy enhances athletic performance^{6 8 9}. The isoflavones found in soy protein produce antioxidant effects, which speed recovery and reduce muscle soreness and inflammation.
   In addition, soy does supply a full complement of amino acids for the exercising muscles - muscles will become larger and stronger with soy protein. In fact, athletes who incorporate both soy and whey protein in their nutritional regimens may benefit from their different rates of digestion and amino acid absorption.
   Whey protein digests more quickly, while soy protein digests more gradually. Together, they may provide a more prolonged, deliberate release of amino acids to key muscle groups.
   
6. Cost: one of the biggest benefits to the consumer is the considerable reduction in cost, using soy will present. With whey protein costs soaring, soy might prove to be much less expensive (around two-dollars-per-pound less).
   
7. Beneficial for women's health⁷. Consuming soy protein has a number of benefits unique to women's health, including the alleviation of symptoms associated with menopause, the protection of bone health and the a reduction of the risk of breast cancer.
   

References

1. Anderson, JW, Johnstone BM, Cook-Newell ME. Meta-analysis of effects of soy protein intake on serum lipids in humans. N Engl J Med 1995; 333:276-282
   
2. Aronson, W.J., Tymchuk, C.N., Elashoff, R.M., McBride, W.H., McLean, C., Wang, H. and Heber, D. (1999) Decreased growth of human prostate LNCaP tumors in SCID mice fed a low-fat, soy protein diet with isoflavones. Nutr Cancer. 35: 130-136.
   
3. Barnes S. The chemopreventive properties of soy isoflavonoids in animal models of breast cancer. Breast Cancer Research and Treatment 1997;46:169-179.
   
4. Dwyer JT, Goldin RB, Saul N, Gaultieri L, Barakat S, Adkercreutz H. Tofu and soy drinks contain phytoestrogens. J Am Diet Assoc 1994; 94:739-743.
   
5. Goodman, M.T., Wilkens, L.R., Hankin, J.H., Lyu, L.C., Wu, A.H. and Kolonel, L.N. (1997) Association of soy and fiber consumption with the risk of endometrial cancer. Am J Epidemiol. 46: 294-306.
   
6. Joseph W. Hartman, David Bruinsma, Amy Fullerton, Jenn G. Perco, Randa Lawrence, Jason E. Tang, Sarah B. Wilkinson, Stuart M. Phillips.(2004). The Effect of Differing Post Exercise Macronutrient Consumption on Resistance Training-Induced Adaptations in Novices Department of Kinesiology, McMaster University, Hamilton, ON, Canada.
   
7. Messina M. Modern applications for an ancient bean: soybeans and the prevention and treatment of chronic disease. J Nutr 1995; 125:567S-569S.
   
8. Rossi A.,Disilvestro R.A., Blostein-Fugii A. Effects of soy consumption on exercise-induced acute muscle damage and oxidative stress in young adult males. FASEB J 1998:12(5); A653
   
9. Samantha Rubin, Douglas Kalman, Michele Martinez, Diane R. Krieger, Nutrition Miami Research Associates.(2005). A Randomized Double-Blind Clinical Pilot Trial Evaluating the Effect of Protein Source when Combined with Resistance Training on Body Composition and Sex Hormones in Adult Males. Experimental Biology 2005, April 5.
   
10. Segounis, S.(2004). The Scoop on Protein Powders. True Star Health. [Online] http://www.truestarh...s12ML3P1A8.html
    
11. The Solae Company.(2004). Soy Essentials. [Online]
    
12. Wilcox JN, Blumenthal BF. Thrombotic mechanisms in atherosclerosis: potential impact of soy proteins. J Nutr 1995; 125:631S-638S.
    

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Because of the phytoestrogen content, some studies have suggested that soybean ingestion may influence testosterone levels in men. However, a 2010 meta-analysis of 15 placebo controlled studies showed that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable testosterone or estrogen concentrations in men.^[119] It has been hypothesized that soy foods and enterolactone may increase the development of prostate cancer although no significant associations were observed for the soy isoflavones.^[120] Furthermore, soy consumption has been shown to have no effect on the levels and quality of sperm.^[121] A 2009 meta-analysis of the research on the association between soy consumption and prostate cancer risk in men concluded that "consumption of soy foods is associated with a reduction in prostate cancer risk in men."^[122]

^ Hamilton-Reeves, Jill M.; Vazquez, Gabriela; Duval, Sue J.; Phipps, William R.; Kurzer, Mindy S.; Messina, Mark J. (2010). "Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: Results of a meta-analysis". Fertility and Sterility 94 (3): 997–1007. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2009.04.038. PMID 19524224.

^ Heald, C. L.; Ritchie, M. R.; Bolton-Smith, C.; Morton, M. S.; Alexander, F. E. (2007). "Phyto-oestrogens and risk of prostate cancer in Scottish men". British Journal of Nutrition 98 (2): 388–96. doi:10.1017/S0007114507700703. PMID 17403269.

^ Messina, Mark (2010). "Soybean isoflavone exposure does not have feminizing effects on men: A critical examination of the clinical evidence". Fertility and Sterility 93 (7): 2095–104. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2010.03.002. PMID 20378106.

^ Yan, Lin; Spitznagel, Edward L (2009). "Soy consumption and prostate cancer risk in men: a revisit of a meta-analysis". The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 89 (4): 1155–63. doi:10.3945/ajcn.2008.27029. PMID 19211820.

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A 2007 study by Goodin et al. reported that 56g of soy protein powder per day caused serum testosterone to fall 4% in four weeks in a test group of 12 healthy males. (An error in the abstract said 19%, and this figure was erroneously reported by the media.) ^[33]) According to the study, the data supported further studies of these hormonal effects as a mechanism in prostate cancer prevention.^[34] However, a study conducted by the Miami Research Associates refutes the finding of the Goodin study, finding soy protein had no significant impact on testosterone levels in healthy males.^[35] In fact, only one participant in the Goodin study actually saw a drop in testosterone. The participant in question had testosterone levels 200% higher than all of the other subjects, and during the study, his levels dropped to bring him in line with the other participants. The Goodin study did not conclusively suggest the participant's erratic testosterone levels were related to the soy protein.

^ See the following Web site for a more complete analysis of this study and the error in its abstract: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_9_25/ai_n27410483.

^ Goodin, Susan et al. (2007). "Clinical and Biological Activity of Soy Protein Powder Supplementation in Healthy Male Volunteers". Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention 16 (4): 829–33. doi:10.1158/1055-9965.EPI-06-0882. PMID 17416779.

^ Kalman D et al. (2007-07-23). "Effect of Protein Source and Resistance Training on Body Composition and Sex Hormones". J Int Soc Sports Nutrition 4 (1): 4. doi:10.1186/1550-2783-4-4. PMC 1997115. PMID 17908338.

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For every article there is an equal and opposite article. Thank God for the intrawebz!!!

http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects

Not trying to piss in your Cornflakes, but soy isn't really a risk I am willing to take, especially at my age. If it has estrogenic compounds, I'll just steer clear, personally.

[ssh 924]

And since I'm sure someone is wondering:

Rice Protein Concentrate 20%

Soy Protein Isolate 20%

Whey Protein Concentrate - Super Grade 20%

Whey Protein Isolate Cold-Filtration 20%

Gemma Pea Protein Isolate 20%

Protease Enzyme Complex

I am just curious.............why the Soy Protein?

J

He is trying to get in touch with his feminine side.

Yeah isn't there something in soy that mimics estrogen, or something along those lines?

Guess not heh.

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article deleted due to it's size.

For every article there is an equal and opposite article. Thank God for the intrawebz!!!

Correct.

[ssh 924]

Either way I never ate soy, and don't have any reason to start.

[ssh 924]

It's definitely an interesting case study, but at the same time I have a friend whose father drinks soy milk, and he doesn't have perky tits.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

And the only reason I'm trying a plant/whey blend in the first place is price. Can't get an all whey blend from TP that isn't cheaper than a commercial product from BodyBuilder.com.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

And hey, if it sucks I'll just stick to buying commercial products.

[ssh 924]

Anyone know if True Nutrition emails tracking numbers for the shipment, or if it just shows up at the door one day--like Fi.