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[///M5 2,833]

NutriTOP

BTW did you try it after pedaling or just a little sampler to see if you can stomach it?

After a ride. Whether I could stomach or not doesn't matter if it is good for the body.

That's the spirit. You will probably notice a difference in recovery time in a week or so, and from there you may want to adjust based on what you feel.

What is all the dextrose for? Just curious so I can monitor how I feel.

[dem beats 1,223]

I don't know what is in the air today but everyone I talk to is on a hate rampage and grumpier than hell.

Maybe the Dow made everyone down. FuuuuuuuuUUUUU

[///M5 2,833]

I like the 77 better

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I'm hoping that they replace my TV out of this damn deal.

[///M5 2,833]

I don't know what is in the air today but everyone I talk to is on a hate rampage and grumpier than hell.

Maybe the Dow made everyone down. FuuuuuuuuUUUUU

The weather blows as well. Pun intended

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What it looks like occasionally.

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Yes, I know its a mess right now.

My lack of free time and caring is apparent in that photo.

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A new entertainment center will get built one of these days too.

[dem beats 1,223]

What is all the dextrose for? Just curious so I can monitor how I feel.

I can't find what I posted before, I'll try to condense it. Dextrose is the simplest form of sugar that we can eat. It is basic energy for cells, and replenishes the stores. It makes the biggest insulin spike and converts to blood glucose ASAP. Glucose is basically Dextrose, just in the blood stream.

Using it right after a work out has some other advantages. To sum it up, right after a good work out you have a few things in your body you want to take advantage up. Blood flow, high growth hormone levels, etc.

You also want to stop some bad things like cortisol. Cortisol is the hormone that tells your body to break down muscles rather than fat for energy.

Physically right after a work out blood is routed to the muscles you just used, so you get the sugar to them when you take it right after a work out.

Chemically it's a bit more complex but it basically sets off a growth chain reaction.

Sugar and a high insulin spike stop cortisol. Insulin helps shuttle nutrients into cells from the blood. It also works with growth hormones and is beleived that in the climate in vivo right after a good workout increases the bodies growth factors. It can increase it to mega super big amounts(technical term). Since you're also taking in protein right then it helps replenish cells with protein lost or broken durring the excercize. Everything works with synergy to quickly and efficiently get the muscle cells replenished.

[dem beats 1,223]

I don't know what is in the air today but everyone I talk to is on a hate rampage and grumpier than hell.

Maybe the Dow made everyone down. FuuuuuuuuUUUUU

The weather blows as well. Pun intended

Yup. One of those should-have-stayed-in-bed kinda days.

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We had that wind yesterday.

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Yay for the service tech calling and on his way over.

[dem beats 1,223]

Yay for the service tech calling and on his way over.

I hate waiting for Techs to come to my house too. Hope he gets the TV fixed.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

I'M ON A BOAT

[///M5 2,833]

What is all the dextrose for? Just curious so I can monitor how I feel.

I can't find what I posted before, I'll try to condense it. Dextrose is the simplest form of sugar that we can eat. It is basic energy for cells, and replenishes the stores. It makes the biggest insulin spike and converts to blood glucose ASAP. Glucose is basically Dextrose, just in the blood stream.

Using it right after a work out has some other advantages. To sum it up, right after a good work out you have a few things in your body you want to take advantage up. Blood flow, high growth hormone levels, etc.

You also want to stop some bad things like cortisol. Cortisol is the hormone that tells your body to break down muscles rather than fat for energy.

Physically right after a work out blood is routed to the muscles you just used, so you get the sugar to them when you take it right after a work out.

Chemically it's a bit more complex but it basically sets off a growth chain reaction.

Sugar and a high insulin spike stop cortisol. Insulin helps shuttle nutrients into cells from the blood. It also works with growth hormones and is beleived that in the climate in vivo right after a good workout increases the bodies growth factors. It can increase it to mega super big amounts(technical term). Since you're also taking in protein right then it helps replenish cells with protein lost or broken durring the excercize. Everything works with synergy to quickly and efficiently get the muscle cells replenished.

Matt you rock, thanks.

I wasn't super clear though. Any idea how I can tell if I am taking the right amounts? You say my body will let me know, but that of course is what I was trying to determine.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

Is that a pretty old Honda?

Its a '96 I got for FREE with NO tires or rims or rear fender. I paid 500 bucks for the new ITP's and some beater rims, and the tan aftermarket fender came with the machine. A new battery, carb rebuild, and a tune-up later and I am ridin' baby. The Honda is ugly as sin BUT is a GREAT starter machine for my 9 year old daughter and all my nieces and nephews. I am hoping to a 550 Grizzly with power steering for my Wife some day , then the 660 will be mine (hence the better rims and tires) and the Honda will be my daughters. The Honda runs PERFECT and can't be killed.hehe.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

I like the 77 better

I have had the '77 since I was 20, and LOVE to drive it. The '77 is also a classic.

BUT Its all my moms fault for gifting me the '94, Now I have more trucks than I know what to do with? SO I will use the '94 for awhile, and maybe sell it. Thank god my friend has land I can park them all on or I would really be screwed for parking. Other than that keeping them all insured is a bitch too, SO which ever one I'm using at the time I have covered I guess.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

What is all the dextrose for? Just curious so I can monitor how I feel.

I can't find what I posted before, I'll try to condense it. Dextrose is the simplest form of sugar that we can eat. It is basic energy for cells, and replenishes the stores. It makes the biggest insulin spike and converts to blood glucose ASAP. Glucose is basically Dextrose, just in the blood stream.

Using it right after a work out has some other advantages. To sum it up, right after a good work out you have a few things in your body you want to take advantage up. Blood flow, high growth hormone levels, etc.

You also want to stop some bad things like cortisol. Cortisol is the hormone that tells your body to break down muscles rather than fat for energy.

Physically right after a work out blood is routed to the muscles you just used, so you get the sugar to them when you take it right after a work out.

Chemically it's a bit more complex but it basically sets off a growth chain reaction.

Sugar and a high insulin spike stop cortisol. Insulin helps shuttle nutrients into cells from the blood. It also works with growth hormones and is beleived that in the climate in vivo right after a good workout increases the bodies growth factors. It can increase it to mega super big amounts(technical term). Since you're also taking in protein right then it helps replenish cells with protein lost or broken durring the excercize. Everything works with synergy to quickly and efficiently get the muscle cells replenished.

Matt you rock, thanks.

Thanks for the tips Brother, you do Rock.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

Yay for the service tech calling and on his way over.

They sure do take thier sweet time and could care less about your schedule, bastards.

[dem beats 1,223]

Matt you rock, thanks.

I wasn't super clear though. Any idea how I can tell if I am taking the right amounts? You say my body will let me know, but that of course is what I was trying to determine.

AH. Gotcha.

It can be different for everyone and some just need to try increasing the sugar to protein ration or lower it blindly.

I can instantly tell when I have have too much sugar or not enough. If you get a bit light headed and feel slow and maybe a bit queezy and hungry at the same time, that means that your body needs food. If I wait too long to eat I can even get the shakes and cold sweats.

When you have too much sugar you might feel "bloated". For me it's this overloaded feeling. I started with the 4:1 ratio while pedaling and lifting, and it was just too much sugar. I would feel bloated and instead of a great sugar energy rush following that post work out endorphins from a high I would feel overloaded.

You will know if it's just right if after you drink the shake you feel tired from the work out, but not weak and shakey. You will still have that great work out buzz, not be bloated and not feel weak.

What I found works for me is a 60:30 gram shake RIGHT after I am done working out. Within 5 min. Seriously, you want it in you ASAP. If I pedaled to the river bottoms I would bring my shake with and before I pedal home I would drink it right then and there. Then pedal home nice and slow cooling down. Then ~30 min later I would have another protein shake or can of tuna or chicken breast with maybe 10-20 grams of carbs. Usually had rice available but sometimes I would use my dextrose. My post work out shakes really drive me into a state where my metabolism is ready to go.

I spent ~3 years of eating meals every 3 hours, measuing all the carbs and protein and selectively adding 1 supplement at a time and trying it for a while to measure it's effectiveness. My body really talks to me about the food I take in. I was ~265 at the time and in amazing aerobic shape, and decent lifting shape with a super metabolism and a large frame. For most people I think that the shake mix I recomended to you will work. For me though my muscles and body wanted more. So much that my gut couldn't digest it all at once. So instead of one uber mega dose I would have one big one and then a follow up after that one cleared my stomach.

[dem beats 1,223]

Thanks for the kudos gents.

I am trying to keep the posts as small as possible. Describing nutrition scientifically without using theory or perception is maybe the hardest thing. For almost everything we have no idea in-vivo how the body works. Then you throw in marketing jargon that uses science and skews charts to show exagerated results. It may be honest, but it still can be so deceptive. On the other hand my narrative, beleifs, and results can skew the process further. When helping others with a plan I have to think hard about the goal, then dicect real world results that are based in some scientific fact and not theory. If it needs to be tweaked from there, then it can be and you may get WAY better results. Starting with the KISS method and then changing ratios and amounts, adding something, or timing changes can weed out snake out fast.

Once you get a rythem going I can help with all kinds of other suplements to try based on what you want to tweek, but this will give a blank sheet to start customising things with. Just jumping in for something really expencive product that may will in fact work is a big waste. This fast digesting card/protein is like the big 3. Even the most bestest amp/enclosure/sub combo means nothing is you don't have a base line that can cope with it.

I know Sean especially want's to know how/why stuff works too. You fellas are gonna keep me in line.

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[///M5 2,833]

Not sure if it was placebo, but I felt sugar jitters. Of course, do realize I eat almost nothing sweet. Not sure I believe it was real, but measuring out that much "sugar" and then drinking it wasn't my norm for sure.

You were right on being monstrously hungry shortly thereafter though

[dem beats 1,223]

So long as the sugar buzz is mild and doesn't make you sweat or freak out you're in the zone. Try this for a week, and then maybe try adding a second smaller shake or small extremely lean meal 30 min later. i.e. 30-40 grams of no fat protein and 10-30 grams of fast acting carbs like white rice or no fat bread(gag).

[Julian 641]

So question why is FMS name/URL blocked on this website?

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