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[topgun 262]

shooting an air rifle is against the law?

I wouldn't think so unless it was destruction of property.

[MKader17 332]

Hey damnit, pretend I am stupid. What do I buy?

Yes, I want spoonfeeding

I'll ask questions as I use it.

Start with something insanely basic.

1 cup of this

Bodybuilding.com - NOW Dextrose Powder - Corn Sugar! On sale now!

With one scoop(provided in the tub) of this

Bodybuilding.com - Syntrax Nectar - Best Tasting Protein! On sale now!

That syntax looks good, and the dextrose is cheap, I may just try some out. I have some protein poweders building up at my place but they are cheap lol

Nectrar tastes good. Like fruit. I always got apple myself. I used to take plain yogurt and add a scoop of the nectar product and that would be a really good breakfast.

Then I got cheap as I was going through so much protein with 3 shakes a day so I switched to sci fit. It didn't taste half as good but it is dirt cheap.

Thankfully I have always had an iron stomach and no protein ever bothered it. Some guys I knew could only have specific types that cost big $$.

Is it bad to mix the protein powder with milk instead of water? I've found that it makes it taste 1,000 times better. I know it's lactose and not glucose, so a bit different sugar and perhaps not optimal? However, I've also found that it basically makes it impossible to do any more workout afterward because the milk just sits in my stomach and gives me a sideache. I'm not an advanced supplement guy, I only do the simple whey protein powder right after I lift.

In this case, for post work out I don't like milk. It would add other vitamins/nutrients that you may not desire after a work out. For someone trying to learn what does and does not work, throwing in an extra variable isn't optimal. For me right after squats I would really dislike milk in my stomach unless it's ICE cold.

The protein I linked called nectar tastes like fruit juice, it really does. It has a bit of after taste if you were to mix it alone, but not much at all. Also you will be adding even more sweetness and better mouth feel with the dextrose.

That all said I have used milk as a post work out mixer just fine. Other than what I just mentioned there are a few things that tell me it's not "optimal" after a work out. A few reasons why.....

lactose. Lactose doesn't spike insulin as much as dextrose. The higher the GI index the better. Lactose is 46. Dextrose is 100.

Calcium. Calcium is important. Really important. I just don't think it is right after a work out. We were designed well by evolution. We need more calcium than any other mineral/vitamin(by volume), so if we take vitamins and calcium together there is a theory(studies too) that say calcium is "cherry picked" for digestion and other vitamins might be left out. In this case then the extra nutrients in milk might give show a larger or smaller benefit than if you left the milk out.

Fat. Even skim milk has fat in it, and post work out, the less fat the better. Some people respond to it, but fat slows digestion. We want digestion as fast as possible.

I know I'm nitpicking, but I have tried everything out there. For a starting point find out the perfect sugar:protein combo for your body and then modify it with different things.

Sweet info dem beats.

I guess I should clarify that my response was for the general case, not post-workout

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

YES Speaking of goals, I ASS-U-ME that the advice your giving (dem beats) is based on the goal of muscle gain WITHOUT weight gain? i.e. miniumize body fat percentage?

I am trying to min. body fat and NOT trying to get any bigger. Was 250lbs 5+ yrs ago, now I am @190lbs.

This is a loaded question. I honestly think that if you worked HARD then the sugar you take in will have an extreme low likely hood of being deposited as fat.

This rest of this will deviate from the original goal a bit. That goal being performance increase and less pain and faster recovery time, but it does tie in.

Unless you're doing a ketogenic type diet I am convinced that overall the sugar after a HARD and depleating work out will result in only a better overall body comp. The sugar in this instance is really only used to force insulin and IGF like compounds into play. They will help shuttle nutrients to the places they need to go.

It has a verry low likely hood of converting to fat as the muscles you just work will have so much more blood flow. This is why body builder type guys are always worried about their "pump" and the timing of it. It's getting the max blood into that area as blood caries amino's and the materials to repair the muscles you just broke down.

On a big picture scale building more muscle will always result in burning more fat than just trying to burn fat all the time. The more muscle you have the more calories you can burn while resting.

Short term fat loss benefits would also be if you have more muscle you can train that much harder. Thus burning more every time you put the muscle to work again

Longer term is that if you get sick or injured a larger muscle supply means more to break down and stay healthy/alive and you will have higher recovery performance.

Fair enough. Thanks for the better overall perpective, I eat sugar like its going out of style anyways. AND YES I am just trying to get better recovery after workouts So very helpful info all together.

Like sean said I will also start with the food based method first, as I have never really tryed supplements other than my daily multi-vitamin.

[MKader17 332]

This is definitely the most pro-sugar talk I've ever seen that involves building muscle lol

[dem beats 1,223]

The end is here. Facepocalipse!

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[dem beats 1,223]

Sweet info dem beats.

I guess I should clarify that my response was for the general case, not post-workout

Then heck yeah. If you don't mind the extra kcal then it's a great idea. Milk has one of the best overall amino break downs out there. Great protein profile and you're right. goes great with whey.

[dem beats 1,223]

Fair enough. Thanks for the better overall perpective, I eat sugar like its going out of style anyways. AND YES I am just trying to get better recovery after workouts So very helpful info all together.

Like sean said I will also start with the food based method first, as I have never really tryed supplements other than my daily multi-vitamin.

My recomendation is start with dextrose and then try fruit juice later. Grape juice rates the highest on the GI for fruit juice. It's still only in the high 50's I think. Dextrose will cause a MUCH more signifcant increase in nutrient shuttling.

YMMV but diabete's research is classic and can help us understand quite a bit about sugars and our bodies.

Fruictose is absolutely not ideal, and neither is sucrose. They will work but everything with our biology makes it much harder to use fructose for what we want it to do in this case.

If you HAVE to use an all natty juice, use grape juice. It's still at best 50% as good as dextrose IMHO. And that's if you actually do digest it. A lot of what goes into the mouth gets caught up in the intestines. That means you need to consume MUCH more sugar to get the same insulin spike, and that means WAY more empty calories.

[dem beats 1,223]

To elaborate more, fructose HAS to go through the liver to digest if I remember biology right. We don't want that in this case, it would steal blood and insulin from the muscles. Also it will be much easier to convert to fat. I read one study where they found that some 30% of all fructose is turned into triglycerides. Though the liver is the main production plant for IGF I don't think it's nesicarry to send it fructose.

[dem beats 1,223]

shootin top

[///M5 2,833]

I survived court yesterday, and got out of there with just paying a TON of money, atleast now its taken care of.

DUI?

no duey, thank GOD. Just possession and paraphernalia. I got the second one dropped and the judge gave me double fines since it was my second time for the weed.

How do you actually get caught?

[dem beats 1,223]

Have you been busy pedalin Sean?

[///M5 2,833]

shooting an air rifle is against the law?

I wouldn't think so unless it was destruction of property.

Illegal to shoot any firearm in Hennepin County and that includes air guns.

[///M5 2,833]

Have you been busy pedalin Sean?

Up to 85mi. Taken two days off since I bought the bike and one was yesteraday. Should break 100mi by tonight though. A little hard considering Aidan is sick and needs to be held non-stop.

[bigrank916 72]

Just get one of those pouches that strap to your chest! He just might like it? maybe?

[dem beats 1,223]

Poor little guy!

I hope he has a speedy recovery. It's so hard when you can't just "fix" it. Way to be there for him and be a kick ass dad though.

Good job on the pedaling, especialy with so much else going on.

[bigrank916 72]

I survived court yesterday, and got out of there with just paying a TON of money, atleast now its taken care of.

DUI?

no duey, thank GOD. Just possession and paraphernalia. I got the second one dropped and the judge gave me double fines since it was my second time for the weed.

How do you actually get caught?

Ya dude. Its legal there with a script. Better get on that so you can avoid bologna!

[topgun 262]

Sucks about the little guy Sean. Hopefully he gets better soon.

[The enD 467]

can't .... stop.... downloading.... flac

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

shooting an air rifle is against the law?

any firearm, firework, basically anything that goes boom, yes

common sense alone dictates you don't fire an air rifle in a well populated subdivision such as this, let alone under the influence of alcohol and/or marijuana

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

not that I have anything against firearms, marijuana, or alcohol

just don't mix them up together

nothing good can come from it

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

hell the fact the pups won't stop cowering behind the shed is reason enough to stop, fuckers

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

if they break one of our brand damn new windows, there will be hell to pay; no ifs, ands, or buts

show them what a REAL gun looks like *grumbles*

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

you know whats good for times like these? first person shooters

[dem beats 1,223]

if they break one of our brand damn new windows, there will be hell to pay; no ifs, ands, or buts

show them what a REAL gun looks like *grumbles*

sounds like one loud as heck air gun.

I had the pellet gun out the other day warming up for mole season. Fakkerz are ruining my yard.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

not loud, merely unsafe jackassery

inebriation does not mix well with firearms usage

or heavy machinery usage

or machinery usage of any kind for that matter...