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[///M5 2,833]

You can get 3br/2ba for under a $100, maybe you guys should come to Texas

or anywhere else that managed to escape the real estate bubble for that matter

The Midwest (IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, IA, NE) normally don't have the fluctuations the rest of the country has. Chicago is amazingly stable for a big city. Ours flatlined, don't know that it decreased. Some people overpayed, but hey there are plenty of idiots...including my neighbor

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

The Neighbors BM'er is a 328i, I looked some up this morning, One like this is only 25-30k. BUT they are rear wheel drive witch is a NO-GO for me.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one.

Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather.

Guess I need to look at the badge better.

I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake.

[lithium 358]

The neighbor's BMW. I like the midnight blue. always funny to see a beamer in a trailer park.

i want one

Luckily they are getting cheap

if my car dies before i finish college im not sure what ill be able to afford. my first car i paid straight up cash for when i was 16 so it would suck to have a loan...

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

You can get 3br/2ba for under a $100, maybe you guys should come to Texas

or anywhere else that managed to escape the real estate bubble for that matter

The Midwest (IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, IA, NE) normally don't have the fluctuations the rest of the country has. Chicago is amazingly stable for a big city. Ours flatlined, don't know that it decreased. Some people overpayed, but hey there are plenty of idiots...including my neighbor

All the bubble busting did here is slim down the choices on the market. Everyone here thinks they can get rich flipping houses.

[KU40 173]

You can get 3br/2ba for under a $100, maybe you guys should come to Texas

or anywhere else that managed to escape the real estate bubble for that matter

Like most of Kansas. My mom just bought her 5br/2ba house for 114k. I think my dad's 5br/3ba is appraised at 130k or so, and he bought it for 60k about 15 years ago. Both with full basements. One of my friends just bought a 3br/2ba 2 story + basement for 160k in a KC suburb, and I think here in Lawrence that type of house would be about the same.

[///M5 2,833]

The Neighbors BM'er is a 328i, I looked some up this morning, One like this is only 25-30k. BUT they are rear wheel drive witch is a NO-GO for me.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one.

Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather.

Guess I need to look at the badge better.

I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake.

Huh? Why would you EVER want to understeer.

The e-brake will work in any drive format. In a RWD you can turn with the throttle, with front you CANNOT.

[///M5 2,833]

Amusingly Fargo ND is way more expensive than that.

[///M5 2,833]

You can get 3br/2ba for under a $100, maybe you guys should come to Texas

or anywhere else that managed to escape the real estate bubble for that matter

The Midwest (IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, IA, NE) normally don't have the fluctuations the rest of the country has. Chicago is amazingly stable for a big city. Ours flatlined, don't know that it decreased. Some people overpayed, but hey there are plenty of idiots...including my neighbor

All the bubble busting did here is slim down the choices on the market. Everyone here thinks they can get rich flipping houses.

Those and the impatient are the ones getting stung here.

[///M5 2,833]

<--also doesn't ever engage the 4wd in his truck

*except to get up my driveway

I MUCH, MUCH, MUCH prefer to drive the M5 in the winter, but don't want to subject it to winter. Solution is easy though. Sell the car and truck and buy a different RWD car.

[///M5 2,833]

IMO, there are only 2 choices in cars. AWD and RWD. Anything else should never be sold in any climate.

[///M5 2,833]

And Goodnight.

[topgun 262]

Yoplait yogurt is turning into my new form of crack...

[topgun 262]

I hate FWD. One of the big reasons I don't think I'll get another Cadillac after my current one dies.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

One thumb on the pulse of the nation one thumb in your girlfriend's ass

[dem beats 1,223]

I hate trying to find a place to live.

I looked at over 300 houses before buying mine. Took a few years...

I thought we were bad looking in the +50 range.

=)

[dem beats 1,223]

You can get 3br/2ba for under a $100, maybe you guys should come to Texas

That's because no one wants to live there.

I've had friends move from Mpls to Dallas and pay cash for houses.

I think about how much more home I could have down there all the time. If I would have had some college in buisness I would go down and try to get in with the wifes godmothers hubby who's an exec at a huge company.

[dem beats 1,223]

The Neighbors BM'er is a 328i, I looked some up this morning, One like this is only 25-30k. BUT they are rear wheel drive witch is a NO-GO for me.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one.

Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather.

Guess I need to look at the badge better.

I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake.

Polar oposite from what makes sense to me.

[dem beats 1,223]

IMO, there are only 2 choices in cars. AWD and RWD. Anything else should never be sold in any climate.

A fool and his money.... if people will buy FWD, someone will make and sell it.

I'm with you also, I don't ever use AWD in my vehicle to "drive", just make it up hills or through non road places.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

The Neighbors BM'er is a 328i, I looked some up this morning, One like this is only 25-30k. BUT they are rear wheel drive witch is a NO-GO for me.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one.

Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather.

Guess I need to look at the badge better.

I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake.

Huh? Why would you EVER want to understeer.

The e-brake will work in any drive format. In a RWD you can turn with the throttle, with front you CANNOT.

I will take the weight over the drive tires anyday.

A fwd turns harder when the steering tires are also pulling, NOT just getting pushed where the weight of the vehicle is getting pushed.

I have never been to MN but I can only imagine it must be pretty flat, because You won't get very far with RWD only here.(the ditch)

Edited March 15, 2010 by j-roadtatts

[topgun 262]

I'll take a RWD any day over a FWD, no matter what the condition.

[nem 2,019]

Sean you can expect it between 12pm and 1pm.

[///M5 2,833]

I hate trying to find a place to live.

I looked at over 300 houses before buying mine. Took a few years...

I thought we were bad looking in the +50 range.

=)

Part of it was me interviewing realtors. Open house Sundays was a scheduled event for nearly 3 years.

[///M5 2,833]

The Neighbors BM'er is a 328i, I looked some up this morning, One like this is only 25-30k. BUT they are rear wheel drive witch is a NO-GO for me.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one.

Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather.

Guess I need to look at the badge better.

I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake.

Huh? Why would you EVER want to understeer.

The e-brake will work in any drive format. In a RWD you can turn with the throttle, with front you CANNOT.

I will take the weight over the drive tires anyday.

A fwd turns harder when the steering tires are also pulling, NOT just getting pushed where the weight of the vehicle is getting pushed.

I have never been to MN but I can only imagine it must be pretty flat, because You won't get very far with RWD only here.(the ditch)

Hmm, you really need to open your mind. By FAR the best winter car I have ever driven (outside of snow clearance) was a naturally aspirated Porsche 944. Perfect 25% weight in each corner with a nominal driver. That is ALWAYS the best way to have traction.

Putting the weight over the fronts does not help you turn, nor does it help you stop, it also makes it easier to spin. The ONLY advantage of FWD is the same advantage that 4WD has that puts everyone in the ditch. From a dead stop perhaps you can accelerate faster. To me turning and stopping are MUCH more important in inclement weather.

MN is flat, but not all of MN and RWD doesn't get you in the ditch not knowing how to drive does. Going off the road accelerating is pure operator error, going off because you can't stop or turn isn't. There is no way you can argue that FWD is better for either of those.

Little history piece for you as well. FWD exists as it is cheaper to manufacture and for an average person they don't notice the difference. So some manufacturers choose to save money and compromise on all areas of performance. Others choose to do the opposite and refuse to cut that big ass corner.

[///M5 2,833]

Sean you can expect it between 12pm and 1pm.

Thanks Neal, I'll be out picking up a colleague at the airport but will check my email.

[///M5 2,833]

Oh, and my driveway is far from flat.