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[KU40 173]

Man, Fay is exhibiting some incredible resiliency. It's been over land dumping rain for like a week and it's still a Tropical Depression as it sits over Georgia and Tennessee now.

[dem beats 1,223]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/22652.html

love showing that article to Obama fanboys

Above $364 is the top 1%??

weird huh?

[///M5 2,833]

ti-89 will do some calculus for u

meh, then you don't know how so it is pointless.

[///M5 2,833]

At least in my classes, laptops aren't allowed for exams

I can't say that I have any respect for a prof who rights tests where a calculator would be beneficial. At least Calc or higher anyway.

I've had several classes where calculators were necessary as the prof wrote the exam problems to mimic real-world problems with numbers that are not friendly at all. And of course, they take off a couple points for calculation mistakes. So not really beneficial aside from practice, yet definitely necessary.

I had shitty Calc prof's that did that as well, but I took Calc I-III in high school via post secondary option at the local college which had crap prof's compared to the ones at Carleton. After seeing how a test should be written, I am completely opposed to the needing a calculator style test. I have a major in Physics and did not use a calculator once in college

[JimJ 11]

All these people that are going to drop out and stop going to class just need to hurry up and do it.

First week of the semester is always way too crowded, by the end there's nobody taking the early morning buses into campus

[MKader17 332]

15.47 x 67.34 = fuck if I know without a calc

Paper and pencil ftw

Fuck that. Use a calc and get on with it. I'd rather know what my port length is more than I want to know that I could do that shit on paper

[MKader17 332]

ti-89 will do some calculus for u

meh, then you don't know how so it is pointless.

You obviously have never used a ti-89

[dem beats 1,223]

I have never had alergies before, but this is re-goddamn-donkulus. I haven't slept more than 3 hours each night for the past 3-4 days.

[///M5 2,833]

ti-89 will do some calculus for u

meh, then you don't know how so it is pointless.

You obviously have never used a ti-89

My point was if you need the calculator to do the problem it is an exercise and not something that tests if you know how to solve the problem. Doing math is trivial, solving problems is what should be taught.

[dem beats 1,223]

it seems the lack of sleep makes the alergies worse... which then makes me not sleep.

[dem beats 1,223]

it seems the lack of sleep makes the alergies worse... which then makes me not sleep.

[///M5 2,833]

I have never had alergies before, but this is re-goddamn-donkulus. I haven't slept more than 3 hours each night for the past 3-4 days.

My w is in the same way.

[JimJ 11]

Two hours to go until the next one...*yawn*

[MKader17 332]

it seems the lack of sleep makes the alergies worse... which then makes me not sleep.

Well lack of sleep makes you double post. Which really isn't a bad thing if you want to look at the bright side

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

At least in my classes, laptops aren't allowed for exams

I can't say that I have any respect for a prof who rights tests where a calculator would be beneficial. At least Calc or higher anyway.

I've had several classes where calculators were necessary as the prof wrote the exam problems to mimic real-world problems with numbers that are not friendly at all. And of course, they take off a couple points for calculation mistakes. So not really beneficial aside from practice, yet definitely necessary.

Yeah, thats the way my eco/accounting/stats class exams were too.

[MKader17 332]

ti-89 will do some calculus for u

meh, then you don't know how so it is pointless.

You obviously have never used a ti-89

My point was if you need the calculator to do the problem it is an exercise and not something that tests if you know how to solve the problem. Doing math is trivial, solving problems is what should be taught.

I would to agree and disagree (but mostly probably agree). I am going for a ME with a double major in Math. With my higher level math classes we never use calculators, which is fine because, like you said, there is nothing they could test us over that you would need a calc to help prove you learned, but in ME classes i see the objective as "here is something you could encounter in real life. Use the concepts you've learned and show me how you would do it."

[MKader17 332]

T0PPAGE

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

[MKader17 332]

I'd like to throw this out there for people who think the calculator does all the work for you.

The Ti-89 is like brain nitrous. You throw nitrous on a stock engine with stock components and do no tuning you will for sure end in failure. Now on the other hand if you put nitrous (ti-89) on a modified engine (brain strong in mathematics/calculus) and do some tuning (learn how to use the damn thing) then you will have great results. In my experience the people who were the best at calculus were the only ones who knew how to use the calculator.

[JimJ 11]

Slide rules FTW

[JimJ 11]

And no, I don't have one...I'm only a Luddite on certain things

[///M5 2,833]

I'd like to throw this out there for people who think the calculator does all the work for you.

The Ti-89 is like brain nitrous. You throw nitrous on a stock engine with stock components and do no tuning you will for sure end in failure. Now on the other hand if you put nitrous (ti-89) on a modified engine (brain strong in mathematics/calculus) and do some tuning (learn how to use the damn thing) then you will have great results. In my experience the people who were the best at calculus were the only ones who knew how to use the calculator.

I don't follow the analogy, Calculus is the art of solving for an unknown and the value of that unknown can be a simple equation and surely doesn't need to be a number. Therefore there is no need to calculate it, but just to show that you understood the concepts to solve for the variable.

[topgun 262]

Slide rules FTW

I use to know how to use one of those...

[topgun 262]

I'm gonna have to agree with Sean on this one...

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

One Eco course, two Accounting courses, one Stats class IIRC

I can see stats I suppose, but not really the rest.

You have to add, subtract, multiply, and divide. Helluva lot easier to use a calculator