Welcome to the IHoP

[Acidburn 10]

Yes.

I like those.

Is that yours?

Yep

[ford302redneck 15]

Sweet.

[johnecon2001 82]

I met a girl.

[MKader17 332]

Experience is the worst teacher. It gives the test before presenting the lesson

[MKader17 332]

I predict....

[MKader17 332]

A T0P!

[topgun 262]

Experience is the worst teacher. It gives the test before presenting the lesson

Oh so true, but it is the most beneficial teacher though.

[MKader17 332]

The weird thing about Experience is you tend to learn more if you fail the test, rather than if you pass it. go figure....

[///M5 2,833]

10 more hp for how many more cubic inches?

Wow.

/rant.

4V DOHC vs. 2V OHV

The cubic inch argument is way stronger than the valve argument, if it were the other way GM would use more valves. Either way this whole comparison is stupid.

Bottom line. DOHC engines are more advanced, have better emissions, can make better power per cubic inch but are more costly to build. Ford went the way of reducing emissions (of course they thought they had to) and more high tech, GM went the way of making things cheap as the only way the General has ever known how to sell anything is to make it cheaper than the competition. Regrettably this is going to potentially be the end of the General as the Koreans can outdo anything we can when it comes to cost, in particular with our liberal bullshit union crap.

When all is said and done, the LS will make more power cheaper but it won't make more power. The Mod motor can easily hold its own, but the aftermarket support isn't there and with more moving parts it IS more expensive to build. The cost does come with benefits, but of course there is the cost. At the moment Ford is a bit behind as they are way behind in cubic inches, I mean 281 isn't shit although with forced induction or other power adders they can still easily keep up with an LS. Some cubes will make this power war unfair in Ford's benefit finally although without the aftermarket and with extra valves the expense will deter most builders.

Bottom line right now, bang for the buck the cheapest way to make power is with an LS out of a truck, some aftermarket heads, a cam, a cheap intake and a carb. There is no cheaper way to break 500hp; however, I will add that it really, really sucks that it has to be some antiquated stupid pushrod no rpm truck engine that this has to happen in.

As for power per cube and size, they both suck. My 1991 BMW 3.5L I6 makes 345hp. Fuck the 99 DOHC 4.6 and the LS, they are both antique crap in comparison. And do realize that the 3.5L in my car is a 1978 engine that has been detuned. Of course it needs overhead valves to do it, but all sophisticated engines will have them.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Don't mean a thing if ain't got a good exhaust note on it

<------ Honestly doesn't give a chit what it is so long as it doesn't have FF layout

Edited February 28, 2008 by Penguin4x4

[Tmax98 3]

nice back and forth action tonight

well got work tomorrow c yal guys in the am.

[DevilDriver 28]

CSO seems to be down, I hope it's not for a long time again...

It came back? Someone should've given me the 411....I didn't expect it to ever come back.

[Godsmack 361]

Bedtime

[Adrian_D 520]

What you waiting for?

my first 2 of 4, lvl 4 15's........ they will be here 3/4/08........

so there will be a lot of ups bitching from me lol... and no there not late, i just hate to wait lol..

You should move here and see how long it takes for something to ship.

[Adrian_D 520]

When all out honest, a 4.6 mod motor is = to a ls1 power output.

BTW, thats with a 4valve head, and no power adder.

4valves / cylinder should come stock in performance cars.

[Acidburn 10]

I met a girl.

[JimJ 11]

CSO seems to be down, I hope it's not for a long time again...

It came back? Someone should've given me the 411....I didn't expect it to ever come back.

It was back for a couple months, seems to be back down again, though

[Adrian_D 520]

[JimJ 11]

Two tests today, and feeling like shit...mmmhmm, we'll see how this goes...

[Godsmack 361]

I think we should postpone this run for another 2 hours until the platoon is better rested

[Acidburn 10]

[Acidburn 10]

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[MKader17 332]

I just opened some yogurt and when I did the entire bottom came off.

Thank God I was holding it over a plate so 6 oz. of yogurt didn't spill everywhere

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

I just opened some yogurt and when I did the entire bottom came off.

Thank God I was holding it over a plate so 6 oz. of yogurt didn't spill everywhere

Especially on your pants

"DUDE WHAT THE fudge!?!" :D :D

[Worlddre 1]

thats to aaron bumping a for sale thread at that other place im picking up an aa asassin 10 for $50