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[DevilDriver 28]

except for tits, everyone likes tits

Yes indeed.

[DevilDriver 28]

And if you don't, well....you must be fucking crazy.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

I'm pucking crazy and I love tits :blink:

[///M5 2,833]

Just got through reading Obama's economic policy. Sounds almost identical to Clinton's,

I am sure it wasn't worth the read.

[MKader17 332]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

What do you need to carry a concealed weapon for?

Between 2006 & 2007 there were more than the usual share of serious kooks around here...

Kind of in response to that and NIU, there's been talk of allowing people with CC permits to carry on campus here

they are hoping for the same in some of the universities here as well

[///M5 2,833]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

I am actually shocked at who the liberals are promoting, for the first time since Reagan they have a chance to not only take control for 4 years but really switch the power. Of course to do that they would have to pick someone who on the outside looked rather centrist and instead they pick a Socialist and a Communist to duke it out. Frickin' retarded. At this point a social liberal who had some economic conservative sense would be uber logical. Dumb asses.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Just got through reading Obama's economic policy. Sounds almost identical to Clinton's,

I am sure it wasn't worth the read.

well I can say with all honesty I couldn't have spent that 15 minutes on anything else...not having anything to do really screws with my brain

[///M5 2,833]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

He has also supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns :lame:

The Democrats this year are basically Woodrow Wilson/FDR clones

And the only reason the history book has anything nice to say about FDR was because of the path that Hoover laid for him.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Speaking of which I actually watched daytime TV for the first time in many years because of the sheer lack of workload

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

You know, now that I look back on it most american history textbooks are appallingly bad...

Edited February 26, 2008 by Penguin4x4

[///M5 2,833]

I know it's an uphill battle because there are some big gun people here. The only thing I can do is speak from experience.

I enjoy shooting guns at a range or out at the farm. It's not a bad hobby. But this notion of protection scares me. You made a mention of illegal guns being used for crime. Where do these illegal guns come from? I assume that these are guns stolen from people who own the guns legally and then sold on a black market...and if that is the source, then I don't see how allowing more people to buy and own guns makes things any safer. I know here in Canada that a large portion of seized guns used in crimes are smuggled illegally into Canada from the US. I can't remember the statistics off the top of my head, but they were staggering. Our gun laws are much tougher, thus making it harder for anyone to get their hands on a gun and the gun-related crimes per capita show it. It's a numbers game...the more guns you put out there, the more guns that are put into the wrong hands. Keep in mind that an extremely diverse group of people can go buy a gun very easily legally in the US, whether they are of a sane mind or not. And once they have the gun, what stops them from using it for whatever they want to aside from the law? You with your gun? Is that safe?

Second concern...escalation. I've used this example before and maybe it's flawed...but let's suppose someone breaks into my house intending to rob me. They have a gun, intending to keep me under control. But I surprise them with a gun of my own...and they shoot me. The answer shouldn't be putting a gun in my hands...it should be working harder to keep the gun out of the other person's hands.

Third concern...if you are in such a position that it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon to feel safe, I have to wonder why anyone would want to live there.

Now, as far as rights and constitutions go...yeah, it's in the constitution, but gay marriage is also outlawed and I don't agree with that either. Although I'm sure there are others here who do agree with it.

The solution is easy, make crimes with guns have ridiculous punishment. Trying to remove the guns that are already proliferated around is IMPOSSIBLE but addressing the issues that this creates is not. As far as I am concerned, life in prison with no parole for any gun related crime. Hell capital punishment is fine with me. I am sure that the number of gun crimes would go down, way down.

And as you nearly state in a post or two there is a direct correlation with decreased gun crimes and allowing people to carry. Pretty much has happened everywhere and as you state the opposite is true as well. Removing them from the market will only "protect" the innocent, what we need to do is address the criminal.

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[///M5 2,833]

And Tom, your imp looks better than that one...by a lot.

[MKader17 332]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

I am actually shocked at who the liberals are promoting, for the first time since Reagan they have a chance to not only take control for 4 years but really switch the power. Of course to do that they would have to pick someone who on the outside looked rather centrist and instead they pick a Socialist and a Communist to duke it out. Frickin' retarded. At this point a social liberal who had some economic conservative sense would be uber logical. Dumb asses.

I too, think they are being some dumb puckers. Which is cool with me

[MKader17 332]

Wasn't it Denim or someone that posted that quote here before about all the places that tried gun control and all failed very miserably.

At this point in time, take away guns from the protector, you are just letting the agressor know you are not equipped.

In the words of Chris Rock,

Don't go to parties with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside, but what about all those niggas waiting outside with guns? They know you ain't got one"

[DevilDriver 28]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

I am actually shocked at who the liberals are promoting, for the first time since Reagan they have a chance to not only take control for 4 years but really switch the power. Of course to do that they would have to pick someone who on the outside looked rather centrist and instead they pick a Socialist and a Communist to duke it out. Frickin' retarded. At this point a social liberal who had some economic conservative sense would be uber logical. Dumb asses.

No kidding. Someone like that would roll these guys. Which is why Ron Paul would be a pretty good vote if he weren't quite so kooky.

[DevilDriver 28]

I know it's an uphill battle because there are some big gun people here. The only thing I can do is speak from experience.

I enjoy shooting guns at a range or out at the farm. It's not a bad hobby. But this notion of protection scares me. You made a mention of illegal guns being used for crime. Where do these illegal guns come from? I assume that these are guns stolen from people who own the guns legally and then sold on a black market...and if that is the source, then I don't see how allowing more people to buy and own guns makes things any safer. I know here in Canada that a large portion of seized guns used in crimes are smuggled illegally into Canada from the US. I can't remember the statistics off the top of my head, but they were staggering. Our gun laws are much tougher, thus making it harder for anyone to get their hands on a gun and the gun-related crimes per capita show it. It's a numbers game...the more guns you put out there, the more guns that are put into the wrong hands. Keep in mind that an extremely diverse group of people can go buy a gun very easily legally in the US, whether they are of a sane mind or not. And once they have the gun, what stops them from using it for whatever they want to aside from the law? You with your gun? Is that safe?

Second concern...escalation. I've used this example before and maybe it's flawed...but let's suppose someone breaks into my house intending to rob me. They have a gun, intending to keep me under control. But I surprise them with a gun of my own...and they shoot me. The answer shouldn't be putting a gun in my hands...it should be working harder to keep the gun out of the other person's hands.

Third concern...if you are in such a position that it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon to feel safe, I have to wonder why anyone would want to live there.

Now, as far as rights and constitutions go...yeah, it's in the constitution, but gay marriage is also outlawed and I don't agree with that either. Although I'm sure there are others here who do agree with it.

The solution is easy, make crimes with guns have ridiculous punishment. Trying to remove the guns that are already proliferated around is IMPOSSIBLE but addressing the issues that this creates is not. As far as I am concerned, life in prison with no parole for any gun related crime. Hell capital punishment is fine with me. I am sure that the number of gun crimes would go down, way down.

And as you nearly state in a post or two there is a direct correlation with decreased gun crimes and allowing people to carry. Pretty much has happened everywhere and as you state the opposite is true as well. Removing them from the market will only "protect" the innocent, what we need to do is address the criminal.

[extremist]What we really need to do is thin and improve the herd...eugenics anyone?[/extremist]

[Acidburn 10]

And Tom, your imp looks better than that one...by a lot.

I would never do that to my Impala. I just think it's a cool look.

[Acidburn 10]

not to get all political but apparently obama wants a nationwide ban on concealed weapon carry.

WTF? not that i really liked him before but now i just hate him.

I am actually shocked at who the liberals are promoting, for the first time since Reagan they have a chance to not only take control for 4 years but really switch the power. Of course to do that they would have to pick someone who on the outside looked rather centrist and instead they pick a Socialist and a Communist to duke it out. Frickin' retarded. At this point a social liberal who had some economic conservative sense would be uber logical. Dumb asses.

No kidding. Someone like that would roll these guys.

That'd be my choice as well.

[Acidburn 10]

funny you mention eugenics Neil, we're reading Galton for class tomorrow

[DevilDriver 28]

Even if Obama or Hillary quit talking about so much financial spending, they would still be able to appease the Democratic side and draw over some Republicans. But instead they want to go way overboard and spend money on all sorts of social services. If it's something they can spend money on, they're saying they'll do it (with the exception of Iraq). But they don't need to do that to win registered Democrats or even Independents because change is wanted that badly. And yet they push on....

[DevilDriver 28]

funny you mention eugenics Neil, we're reading Galton for class tomorrow

What class is this? I feel like the history of science and mathematics (and those who made each respective field what it is today) is sadly lost on students of today because it isn't considered important enough by the students or the teachers. But alas....

When you get past the creepy side, eugenics really is a very, very good idea.

[///M5 2,833]

Even if Obama or Hillary quit talking about so much financial spending, they would still be able to appease the Democratic side and draw over some Republicans. But instead they want to go way overboard and spend money on all sorts of social services. If it's something they can spend money on, they're saying they'll do it (with the exception of Iraq). But they don't need to do that to win registered Democrats or even Independents because change is wanted that badly. And yet they push on....

Makes you realize how "smart" they are.

[DevilDriver 28]

Oh, and I guess I passed 2k in the last little bit. Only ~23,000 more to catch Tom and Sean; another ~26,000 to catch vladd.

[Acidburn 10]

funny you mention eugenics Neil, we're reading Galton for class tomorrow

What class is this? I feel like the history of science and mathematics (and those who made it what each respective field what it is today) is sadly lost on students of today because it isn't considered important enough by the students or the teachers. But alas....

When you get past the creepy side, eugenics really is a very, very good idea.

The Human Event II: Science Focus (it's an honor's college class)