Trying to get better sq

[tejcurrent 13]

Well I don't know if I'm growing up, or just really wanting some better sound, but I'm really wanting a nice sq front stage. Unfortunately I can only adjust the placement of the speakers in the door panels for now, but maybe down the road I'll be able to do some more custom fabrication. This is an 01 tahoe if it makes a difference btw.

I am running a set of realm audio 6.5 components off an eclipse ea4000 as my front stage at the moment.

I would like to try a 3-way active setup, still using the realm 6.5s and tweeters, and getting either a 7 or 8 inch mid. I plan on running the 6.5s and 7s/8s off an eclipse XA4001 (or another ea4000) 4 channel, and 2 channels of the last amp for the tweeters. Sound deadening will be well taken care of.

I have an alpine 9831 in my vehicle now, and I can swap this out for an alpine 9853 I already have but have never used. Would this be a good swtich for what I'm wanting? I hate to ask, but I've never used the other h/u and don't have the manual or time to install the other h/u just to find out it's a step in the wrong direction.

I'm selling some of my current sub-stage right now, and once that's gone I'll have a bit of money to throw back in to getting the 7 or 8" mid I need. If anyone could suggest something that would do well and wouldn't break the bank I would really appreciate it.

Thanks guys, if there's any more information I left out please just let me know!

Edited September 13, 2008 by tejcurrent

[emperorjj1 2]

looking for more midbass? or whats the goal?

[JimJ 11]

Where would the 8's be placed?

[Dave Brooks 0]

Here's a link to the owners manual for the CDA-9831:

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/support/su...elname=CDA-9831

and the CDA-9853:

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/support/su...elname=CDA-9853

I personally haven't used either one so couldn't give advice from a first-hand perspective. However, it seems to me from scanning through the owners manuals that the 9853 is a bit more flexible in the EQ department.

I would recommend taking a read through both manuals and compare and contrast the features that are most important to you.

My son tells me he didn't like the glide-touch... that's the only negative I've heard

Hope that helped a little...

[///M5 2,833]

Personally I wouldn't be mixing a 6.5" driver and a midbass, not ideal. I also don't think that running a 3 way with the processing that you have makes sense...unless of course you build some custom kicks and also some custom passives (or electronic on amp) for the tweet to mid. If you haven't done an active 2 way, you should really start there. There is a ton of things to adjust on a 3.

[tejcurrent 13]

Well, the x-overs are much better on the 9853 from the bit I've seen, as well as much better eq (even if it is more complicated).

Should I start another topic or do you think you might be able to help me with my other problems here?

As emperor asked- the midbass is lacking pretty bad. I (in the not too distant future) plan on running a RF 360.2 for some extra equalization. I could start with the 6.5s and try 2-way, but I really wouldn't mind a few hours of tuning

RIckRolled, I can fit an 8" and the 6.5 in the door with only minor work. I want this to look clean and as factory as possible- without any obvious visible speakers. I don't like obvious kickpods despite the advantages they offer- mainly because passengers often treat them like KICK pods, and trample your equipment.

Thanks for the help.

[///M5 2,833]

Grills go a long way towards solving that issue.

One huge concern. Doing a midbass means that your midrange should be a 4" or smaller. Using a 6.5" mid with an 8" midbass completely defeats the purpose and gain of going three way. IMO the main reason a 3 way setup is desired is to have a single driver play as much of the localizable portion of the spectrum and to still have midbass, a 6.5 mid will suck at this and completely fail. You need an 8, 4/3, 1 combo

Considering your headunit, I don't quite understand the choice of the 360.2 as it is not 3 way active compatible nor do you have any funny stock system to equalize out. An H701 would be a much better choice if you are truly going 3 way.

So, in summary. You have the 6.5 and a 2 way capable deck. Run with it that way active first and then describe to us the weaknesses in your system. I can surely take a guess, but it will give you some time to play. In the long run that 6.5 is useless anyways (for a 3 way) so you will have to swap everything out then, but shortening your 3 way learning curve by doing a 2 way first is really logical.

[emperorjj1 2]

lol my 7 and 8 sound pretty darn good... but ya tuning a 3way active setup is a bitch

[Dave Brooks 0]

x2 on M5's H701/C701 recommendation...

If you go that route... you can do 2-way, 3-way... at will.

If you haven't gone active before, 2-way is the way to start... the more speakers you have the harder it is to tune.

In pure SQ, the KISS principle is in full effect.

>> this coming from a guy that has 21 speakers in his truck... 20 of which are forward of the b-pillars...

[tejcurrent 13]

Then I guess 2-way is where I will start. I'll look into the H701, thanks for the suggestion.

I'll make a seperate post in the speaker section when I get the new 4ch in and start the process if I find I'm having some issues.

Thanks everyone!

Edited September 14, 2008 by tejcurrent

[ford302redneck 15]

Lol, turning into a SQueer Troy?

Don't feel bad, I want the SQz also.

[tejcurrent 13]

Yeah its been getting pretty bad. To the point of not really enjoying actually listening to music in my truck. Not really liking the 36hz tune of my new box either.

[///M5 2,833]

Welcome to the dark side

[dem beats 1,223]

Welcome to the dark side

Master DearthSean's sqmetaclorians are off the scales. Don't mess. No quarter shall be asked and none given.

lol

And yes SQ FTW. No more box tuning for you! IB or sealed mang!

... for the most part, I have heard a few GREAT ported box but most are for home audio or HT.

[tejcurrent 13]

Well I've decided to do a very low tuned enclosure for an alpine type-x 12 I have for my h/t, but I still plan on ported boxes for my subs. I love SPL too

I still have 2 btl 18s and 2 memphis 4ks in back, but those will be for show and the 10% of the time I just want stupid loud

The other 90% I'm thinking the nice front stage and a single sealed 10 or 12" Q. No, I don't plan on running 18s and the Q at the same time, just switching between the two. If you can tell I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too lol.

I'm not looking to win any sq shows here, but I would like to be able to feel like I'm listening to a performance rather than a reproduction.

The dark side is just feeling more right the more I think about it

Edited September 17, 2008 by tejcurrent

[emperorjj1 2]

dark side ftw