DLP

[chad.SQ 0]

I know this is probably not under "Home Audio", but I'm taking my chances. Looking at TV's, I need an outside opinion. I can get a Samsung 61 inch or so, 1080p DLP TV for around $1500. What's the catch. I googled around for the Pro's and Con's of DLP TV's, but nothing gave me anything to hold on to. For instance one "Con" I saw was, "TV not small enough to hang on wall". <-- That means nothing to me. Anyways. I know nothing is too good to be true.

I need some input.

Thanks

[todd.brust 29]

When my buddy was looking at TVs, the sale person told him that DLPs have the tendency to have glare from side angles where a LCD would not. Also I think that with DLPs, when the bulbs go bad, they can be replaced for a couple hundred bucks.

Not sure how accurate this is(some one please correct me if I am misinforming), but it is what I remember.

[johnecon2001 82]

It's not glare necessarily that you see from the side.. kind of hard to explain, but it looks more like polarization. Either way, for the price, you can't go wrong. Samsung makes a good TV.

[bjfish11 35]

I love my Samsung DLP. Is definitely the cheapest way to go big. I was also told the disadvantage to the DLP's is the cost of replacing the bulbs.

While we are on the subject of TV's, do the newer models of LCD still have the lag or shadow from action/sports shows? Or has refresh rates gotten better to eliminate this?

[chad.SQ 0]

Wow. I wanted to have a projector but for under 2 grand I couldn't find a native resolution of 1080p. Look at this.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/...=HL61A650C1FXZA

That is the TV.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/fea...amsung-hl61a650

And that is where I can get it for a more than a reasonable price.

[chad.SQ 0]

I was also told the disadvantage to the DLP's is the cost of replacing the bulbs.

Yea I saw that too but that's around $200 every 1 to 3 years, depending on use. That is something I can easily tolerate.

[todd.brust 29]

That's a big goddamn TV!

But for the price, hard to beat.

[Big E 4]

It's not glare necessarily that you see from the side.. kind of hard to explain, but it looks more like polarization. Either way, for the price, you can't go wrong. Samsung makes a good TV.

What he said.

While we are on the subject of TV's, do the newer models of LCD still have the lag or shadow from action/sports shows? Or has refresh rates gotten better to eliminate this?

Some of the new LCD's have a 120hz refresh rate that has taken care of that, however it is still present on most of the new, smaller LCDs (<46").

I was also told the disadvantage to the DLP's is the cost of replacing the bulbs.

Yea I saw that too but that's around $200 every 1 to 3 years, depending on use. That is something I can easily tolerate.

The bulb should last you 4-6 years, easily. If you haven't already bought the T.V. you might want to look into the new DLP's with the L.E.D.s...those are supposed to outlast the T.V.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL61A750-61-...ref=oor_dp_e_rp

Your local circuit city should be able to order that T.V. for you. The nice thing about going through Circuit City is that they offer a 60 day price match guarantee against any local competitors.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Big E

[seanbw 1]

dlp is by far the best choice when considering picture quality to size to cost. the only tv i would say is comparable to what you are looking at is the pioneer kuro... but the price doesn't justify it. after 3 lcd's, two plasmas, two lcd rear projections, and an lcos tv, i would have to say i like my mitsu 57731 6 color dlp the best. im sure the samsung will be perfect, just make sure you sit approximately 3 times the diagonal measurement of 4:3 content away from the tv, or it will look blurry on standard def (if you only watch high def or game the distance should be irrelevant). in respect to the claims that 120hz is better than 60.... film is native 24fps and video is 30 so if you're tv does a proper 3:2 pulldown (like mine) you should be just fine. until film or video fps breaks 60 it's all a gimmick imo. (well, that is unless your tv could do a 5:5 pulldown for film, however i have not seen a 120hz lcd that DOES do a 5:5 pulldown... all 6:4 which looks strikingly similar to a 3:2)

[chad.SQ 0]

Yea I am not dealing with any non HD. Its basically all BluRay movies with maybe a few PS3 games here and there. Thanks for the input. I think that LED Samsung HL61A750. My family is friends with a guy who will basically beat any price I can get anywhere. I think I can get it for maybe $1500, but I'm not sure. Decisions decisions.......

[seanbw 1]

nice, i think you'll be really happy. my only gripe with my samsungs has been that the piano black case looks tacky and reflects a lot more light than you would expect. as far as picture quality all dlp's with equal features should perform the same. (texas instruments makes all the dlp engines so they really dont differ much from brand to brand). but as far as HDTV's go, if my only complaint is the aesthetic appearance.... then theyre pretty good :0, and all the dlp's ive seen scale framerates really well so using a ps3 for a blu-ray works just fine.

[chad.SQ 0]

It is going into a room that it capable of blocking out all outside light, so that piano black is no big deal to me. But I do have a question. I can get that 61 inch LED for maybe 1500-1700. And I can get that same 61 inch NON-LED (i guess normal? w/e that means) for around $1300. Is that couple hundred dollar difference worth it for the LED light?

And....

Why are DLP TV's so cheap comparing to Plasma or LCD?

[Big E 4]

It is going into a room that it capable of blocking out all outside light, so that piano black is no big deal to me. But I do have a question. I can get that 61 inch LED for maybe 1500-1700. And I can get that same 61 inch NON-LED (i guess normal? w/e that means) for around $1300. Is that couple hundred dollar difference worth it for the LED light?

And....

Why are DLP TV's so cheap comparing to Plasma or LCD?

You'll never have to replace a bulb if you get the LED one, and the LED one will be brighter too. DLP's are cheaper because the internals are a lot simplier, and it's an older technology.

[chad.SQ 0]

It is going into a room that it capable of blocking out all outside light, so that piano black is no big deal to me. But I do have a question. I can get that 61 inch LED for maybe 1500-1700. And I can get that same 61 inch NON-LED (i guess normal? w/e that means) for around $1300. Is that couple hundred dollar difference worth it for the LED light?

And....

Why are DLP TV's so cheap comparing to Plasma or LCD?

You'll never have to replace a bulb if you get the LED one, and the LED one will be brighter too. DLP's are cheaper because the internals are a lot simplier, and it's an older technology.

But why doesn't everyone buy them if they give just as good picture, plus the bigger size?

[ANeonRider 3]

Because you won't find a 3" deep DLP & not everyone has a 20-25ft deep room to justify that size of TV.

[chad.SQ 0]

My budget it pretty tight, and my room depth is only 12 feet. I think I am going to settle for the 56"

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/...=HL56A650C1FXZA

or the 50"

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/...=HL50A650C1FXZA

a $300 difference......

For that small of a room is the 56" too much. Would I lose picture quality?

If Samsung didn't make their DLP's then I would most likely end up with a Panasonic 42" Plasma

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electro...000000000005702

These decisions are so freakin hard......

[seanbw 1]

if you only watch 1080i video and 1080p or 720p film, the 61" would be awesome. however as soon as you dip into dvd's or (480p) or standard broadcast tv you will want your EYES to be at least fifteen feet from that thing. however i would pick the 56 over the 50 in a 12 foot room, as it doesnt seem like 6 inches is much but you get something like fifteen percent more screen area with the 56 over the 50 (thats noticable!).

[chad.SQ 0]

My friend has a 72" Sony Rear Projection 1080i and I have to say that it wasn't as clear as I had hoped. We put in a few PS3 games to test out the screen quality and we had to walk back at least maybe 20 feet before the screen was flawless. Where his couch is located you can almost see the grain moving as the picture changes. Not to mention the blacks weren't that good. It was like an LCD. It just wasn't black. The Plasma would give me the picture quality I want.

I believe I am going to go with new technology and set my sights on the Panasonic 42" Plasma. I've seen this TV in person and I like it. It fits my budget, and I know that I will get the picture quality I want from this TV.

If anyone can convince me otherwise I am open. Not gonna make a final buy for a few weeks.

[gixxsta04 0]

sharper image than a plasma brighter than LCD cheaper than both. You can't go wrong. Got my 65" toshiba 1080 dlp from newegg for 1200

[seanbw 1]

My friend has a 72" Sony Rear Projection 1080i and I have to say that it wasn't as clear as I had hoped. We put in a few PS3 games to test out the screen quality and we had to walk back at least maybe 20 feet before the screen was flawless. Where his couch is located you can almost see the grain moving as the picture changes. Not to mention the blacks weren't that good. It was like an LCD. It just wasn't black. The Plasma would give me the picture quality I want.

I believe I am going to go with new technology and set my sights on the Panasonic 42" Plasma. I've seen this TV in person and I like it. It fits my budget, and I know that I will get the picture quality I want from this TV.

If anyone can convince me otherwise I am open. Not gonna make a final buy for a few weeks.

ur talking two ENTIRELY different technologies. the sony is LCOS (liquid crystal on silicon). it looks like an lcd because it is using 3 LCD's stacked on a silicon chip and reflects light off the LCD's onto the screen. the response is slightly faster than your standard lcd, but not as fast as dlp or plasma. also 72" is enormous you can't compare that to a 50-60" tv as it is so much larger. im sitting infront of my 57-731 (about 14') mitsu watching olympic ping pong and badminton(shuttle goes 200mph) without any blur, again aside from the older pioneer elite's and new kuro's i've yet to see a consumer tv do better blacks than this dlp. consider the operating cost of a plasma too... they deteriorate from the day u plug it in, are not cost effective to recharge and draw more power than an equal sized micro-display. every time you replace your dlp bulb you get a brand new tv essentially. im quite confident my dlp's picture capability exceeds that of any hd broadcast available, as well as any available blu-ray or hd-dvd content. what i'm trying to say is you're comparing apples and oranges, if it was a 56" dlp you were looking at that's another thing. clean power source, interconnects and video source quality will make up 50% of your picture quality too.

[chad.SQ 0]

Damn I am jumping back and forth so much. I get convinced every which way. Apparently the 56" is perfect for my viewing distance. 7.5-15 feet away. I will be between 9-10 feet away. Jesus Christ. I guess I need to walk into Best Buy and take a look. I remember I was told that buying a TV was the hardest thing about setting up a home theater. I stand by that statement