i think i wanna buy a hand gun

[mrray13 30]

certain states do require you to register your firearms. illinois isn't, but we have to have a FOID card before purchase/ownership.

so depending upon which state chad is in, he may indeed have to register his guns.

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[helotaxi 46]

Clark County requires you to register all handguns, though that law should be struck down here shortly because the state passed a law stating that only the state could regulate firearms and state law has primacy over local law. Looking forward to shredding my registration cards.

Chad, hope you got someone to buy your ammo. 21 to purchase handgun ammo.

The law is kinda funny about the whole age thing in one other way as well. The Federal transfer paperwork states that the gun may not be purchased for another. Not sure how you can "own" a handgun at 18 but can't "buy" unless you're 21 and can only buy for yourself. I'm guessing that the license is to possess, not "own." There's a distinct difference there.

I'll get some pics of the new guns up shortly. The wife just left for work with my digicam in her car.

[topgun 262]

I believe the 'owning' is in reference to a gift type handgun. As in their father was to give them a pistol when they are 20 or whatever, its legal for a minor to posses/own but not purchase it by themself.

[helotaxi 46]

I know what you mean but the laws are written by lawyers. They don't make sense, nor do they really allow for that.

[95Honda 486]

Ouch. That is what I meant when I said some states impose more strict (unconstitutional) control.

My advice in this situation would be to A, buy from a private individual, or B buy in another state where allowed and roll the dice on bringing it home.... Take that for what it is....

If you ever get caught with a firearm and get in trouble and it ISN'T for shooting someone, you were a dumbass somewhere along the line...

But #1 thing is, buying any kind of firearm these days with your name attached anywhere to the purchase is less than ideal. You just never know the way things will go...

I feel for you guys in the F'd up states... Washington is pretty decent, we can buy from private people and not have to register transactions. The BS waiting period is waved if you have a CCW, and to get your CCW all you have to do is pay $60 and give fingerprints. You are not required to have a license to own/sell/purchase anything that isn't class II or III.

[95Honda 486]

One of my pride and joys....

Not a handgun, but lots of fun none the less.

Aramlite AR-50

[jonbearsmt 919]

my uncle has a few m 16's fully dressed, its fun... that ar 50 is a bolt action style?

i know nothing about guns, i get lost reading the guns yall talk about... i still have not picked hand gun.

[topgun 262]

Mmmmm, .50, gotta love it. Scope looks kinda small on it to be playing out very far though...

[mrray13 30]

i'm going on a sub compact search next. witht he new job, a little more backup firepower will be greatly appreciated. i'm leaning towards m&p in at least .40, though possibly a glock in .45 so that if need be my full size mags will work.

thoughts? no XDs for me. don't like the grip frame. regardless of backstraps.

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[helotaxi 46]

Using the full size Glock mags with the grip extension sleeves on them would work. There are similar sleeves for the M&P and I might go that route for the next gun. The subcompact M&P just doesn't fit my hand at all. Ring finger is just partly off the bottom of the grip, pinkie is floating in space. The full size is just right with the medium rear piece on it. The large grip is too big and the small just doesn't feel right. The odd thing is that the small grip panel is still bigger than the SR9's grip, but the SR9 just feels right in my hand with the flat backstrap on it just as the M7P feels right. Can't explain it.

As promised:

The 1911 is a Norinco that I've had for years. It's about to get a complete workover including a new barrel and all new springs. Still waiting to go shoot the new guns. My truck had better be here today and one of the first things I'm doing is heading out into the desert to go through some ammo. Got 500 rnds of 9mm waiting to go. Need to send in the rebate card for the M&P and get my 2 free mags. Need to find holsters for both. Being left handed sucks big time in that regard. I'll probably break down and get a right handed holster for one of them (probably the SR9 since holsters for it are hard to come by period) and practice shooting right handed. I'm not bad with my off hand, just out way out of practice.

[dem beats 1,223]

What would you guys recomend for a guy like myself. I have a really meaty hand, but my fingers are short.

ie my 1911 is "almost" perfect. I end up pulling the trigger instead of squeezing though. I end up tossing the bullets off to the side a bit due to it. My wrists are damn strong for holding on. With my father in laws .44 mag I could send them home no problem with the heavy weight of the revolver, but the grip on that was horrible.

Something in a nice semi auto. Any suggestions?

I'm also in the market for a great all around high acuracy and durrable/reliable semi auto rifle. Something big enough for elk moose hunting, but cheeper rounds.

I think I was looking at the fulton armory selection, I posted that in the hop but I thought I would post here too.

[dem beats 1,223]

The folks at the local gun range had a limited run of a nice set of .50's. "the perfect varment gun"

I asked the guy behind the desk about it and what the firm price was etc..? He called it the pink mist machine.

[helotaxi 46]

If you have to ask the price...the shop where I bought my two handguns had a Barrent .50 for a measly $10k. It was a semi-auto though, the bolt version is a bit cheaper.

If you want something to hunt big game, stick with bolt action. There are some AR variants in larger calibers, but the bolt guns are much more accurate.

As far as a handgun goes, the SR9 has a pretty short reach to the trigger. The new XDm .40 does as well. Of course if you're finding the trigger reach on the 1911 on the long side, you're pretty much hosed, mine has a shorter reach than even my SR9. You are only trying to use the tip of the trigger finger, right? When they say "squeeze" the trigger, they're not talking about wrapping your whole finger around in down to the joint.

[mrray13 30]

If you have to ask the price...the shop where I bought my two handguns had a Barrent .50 for a measly $10k. It was a semi-auto though, the bolt version is a bit cheaper.

If you want something to hunt big game, stick with bolt action. There are some AR variants in larger calibers, but the bolt guns are much more accurate.

As far as a handgun goes, the SR9 has a pretty short reach to the trigger. The new XDm .40 does as well. Of course if you're finding the trigger reach on the 1911 on the long side, you're pretty much hosed, mine has a shorter reach than even my SR9. You are only trying to use the tip of the trigger finger, right? When they say "squeeze" the trigger, they're not talking about wrapping your whole finger around in down to the joint.

only use the tip of the finger in SA pull, in TRUE (meaning not the DAO stuff claimed by glock, s&w and other striker fired firearms) DA mode, you want the finger to be on the trigger at the first joint. you can still squeeze, and it offers more control due to the higher pull weight in DA mode over just a tip. a tip in true SA mode (which is how most DAO polymers, read striker fired, actually work IMHO) is better due tot he fact you have more "feel" in the tip and because it's a much lighter pull, the tip is plenty strong enough.

dem beats, look into the XD, or any pistol that offers an interchangable backstrap (XD, m&p and certain h&ks to name a few). that should go a long way into fitting your hand. the h&ks, IIRC, also offer interchangleable grip panels to thicken, or thin up, the grip.

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[mrray13 30]

Using the full size Glock mags with the grip extension sleeves on them would work. There are similar sleeves for the M&P and I might go that route for the next gun. The subcompact M&P just doesn't fit my hand at all. Ring finger is just partly off the bottom of the grip, pinkie is floating in space. The full size is just right with the medium rear piece on it. The large grip is too big and the small just doesn't feel right. The odd thing is that the small grip panel is still bigger than the SR9's grip, but the SR9 just feels right in my hand with the flat backstrap on it just as the M7P feels right. Can't explain it.

As promised:

The 1911 is a Norinco that I've had for years. It's about to get a complete workover including a new barrel and all new springs. Still waiting to go shoot the new guns. My truck had better be here today and one of the first things I'm doing is heading out into the desert to go through some ammo. Got 500 rnds of 9mm waiting to go. Need to send in the rebate card for the M&P and get my 2 free mags. Need to find holsters for both. Being left handed sucks big time in that regard. I'll probably break down and get a right handed holster for one of them (probably the SR9 since holsters for it are hard to come by period) and practice shooting right handed. I'm not bad with my off hand, just out way out of practice.

the full size in the g30 would only be for emergency use, the standard 10rd will be in place. also, by using the full size w/out sleeves, i'll have even more capacity for the primary. meaning in case of a large shoot out, i should be good to go, lol.

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[seanbw 1]

if you know nothing about guns:

why do u want a handgun? is it for home defense? if so get a shotgun (preferably a remington 870). as a gun owner/enthusiast take my advice: i'd say carrying a handgun will do you more harm than help. as an inexperienced gun useryou're more likely to get shot with one than to protect yourself. it's better to give up the keys/wallet/chain/gold teeth whatever.....you don't want to be in a gun battle....ever

IF you did want a handgun, not saying you should get one.... one of the better lines of weapons out there is the H&K USP. i prefer the fullsize .45acp but they have a compact line for concealment too. (ive fired both and as a big dude my hand likes a little more weight and grip). nice safety features on that gun like an ambidextrous decocking mechanism, u can chamber a round, uncock the weapon and recock it easily without having to eject any ammunition which allows u to be ready to fire at a moments notice safely (no accidental shooting). however, i would say for a first gun get a revolver, much easier weapon to use and maintain. ive got a stainless ruger gp141 (.357 magnum). nice gun, its a got a single piece receiver which makes it real sturdy (it weighs 40oz unloaded) and an excellent club. it'll never missfire or jam and they're so easy to use a 7 year old somalian could figure it out without instructions....

[jonbearsmt 919]

if you know nothing about guns:

why do u want a handgun? is it for home defense? if so get a shotgun (preferably a remington 870). as a gun owner/enthusiast take my advice: i'd say carrying a handgun will do you more harm than help. as an inexperienced gun useryou're more likely to get shot with one than to protect yourself. it's better to give up the keys/wallet/chain/gold teeth whatever.....you don't want to be in a gun battle....ever

IF you did want a handgun, not saying you should get one.... one of the better lines of weapons out there is the H&K USP. i prefer the fullsize .45acp but they have a compact line for concealment too. (ive fired both and as a big dude my hand likes a little more weight and grip). nice safety features on that gun like an ambidextrous decocking mechanism, u can chamber a round, uncock the weapon and recock it easily without having to eject any ammunition which allows u to be ready to fire at a moments notice safely (no accidental shooting). however, i would say for a first gun get a revolver, much easier weapon to use and maintain. ive got a stainless ruger gp141 (.357 magnum). nice gun, its a got a single piece receiver which makes it real sturdy (it weighs 40oz unloaded) and an excellent club. it'll never missfire or jam and they're so easy to use a 7 year old somalian could figure it out without instructions....

i would want one for a few reasons.

house hold defense, and secondly to have in my car.... i would not leave it there.. i would be moving it from house to car.. and i have a safe in my home.

also. i would love to keep one in my wrecker.. but i think texas law prohibits that.

are 357's easy to clean? and what is the going rate for a starter pistol of that size?

[helotaxi 46]

Revolvers are really easy to clean. Brush the bore. Brush the cylinders. Swab both. Done. No disassembly required.

As far as the USP goes, no longer in production. Been replaced in the H&K lineup.

Concerning not getting a gun for personal defense, if you never get a gun you'll never learn how to use one and you'll never be able to have that tool at your disposal for the defense of your life or the lives of your loved ones. That's like saying don't learn to drive cause you're more likely to get in a wreck when you're first starting out. You're much more likely to get injured or killed in your car than get shot with your own gun. Most people that do carry guns have never had to draw them, much less fire them.

If robbery was the only danger out there, no one would need a gun because you're right, simply surrender whatever it is that they want. Even if I was carrying a gun I'd probably do that at least initially. Rare these days, it seems, that your basic theft is all that happens. Any gun in that situation is better than no gun. The nice thing about the newer autos is that they're small and light enough that you can carry them all day every day. The ergonomics are better than a that of a revolver of similar size and the capacity is larger as well. Modern autopistols are just as reliable as a revolver as well. You pull the trigger it goes "bang."

[helotaxi 46]

only use the tip of the finger in SA pull, in TRUE (meaning not the DAO stuff claimed by glock, s&w and other striker fired firearms) DA mode, you want the finger to be on the trigger at the first joint. you can still squeeze, and it offers more control due to the higher pull weight in DA mode over just a tip. a tip in true SA mode (which is how most DAO polymers, read striker fired, actually work IMHO) is better due tot he fact you have more "feel" in the tip and because it's a much lighter pull, the tip is plenty strong enough.

He was talking about a 1911. No DA there.

[dem beats 1,223]

If you have to ask the price...the shop where I bought my two handguns had a Barrent .50 for a measly $10k. It was a semi-auto though, the bolt version is a bit cheaper.

If you want something to hunt big game, stick with bolt action. There are some AR variants in larger calibers, but the bolt guns are much more accurate.

As far as a handgun goes, the SR9 has a pretty short reach to the trigger. The new XDm .40 does as well. Of course if you're finding the trigger reach on the 1911 on the long side, you're pretty much hosed, mine has a shorter reach than even my SR9. You are only trying to use the tip of the trigger finger, right? When they say "squeeze" the trigger, they're not talking about wrapping your whole finger around in down to the joint.

Yep just the tip. I did just hold the XD. If the W can hold it I may buy a 9mm the XDm might be coming in 9mm though.

for LR did get these recomended to me. Maybe in a longer barrel

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1999

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=4854

I know bolt if more acurate but I would like something that would be for hunting and just having fun shooting and doing some long range targets.

[helotaxi 46]

I've been looking at a a DPMS in 5.56. I've got no use for the larger calibers in an AR platform. It'd cost too much to enjoy shooting it and still won't be as accurate as I'd want for long range shooting without sinking a LOT of money into it. Had plenty of fun shooting my bolt action .243 and I don't go through so much ammo that it costs me a fortune to take it out. It also shoots a ragged hole for 4 rounds at 100 yds.

[seanbw 1]

helo: i'm not up on usp production, even if they replaced it thats not to say someone couldnt easily buy one or have one serviced or for that matter that its not a great firearm. you make an excellent rebuttal to my advice, however its not very objective advice.... u know guns, jon doesnt. my first gun was a daisy red rider, then a ruger 10/22 etc. i havent taken the jump into auto handguns cuz i dont find it practical. and if you really want good protection for the home theres no argument that theres any gun better than a simple pump 12 ga for your house. the sound of that slide will deter almost anyone and it doesnt take a lick of aim to hit what you're shooting at. as far as carrying a handgun with you i dunno, california doesn't really let that fly! in respect to my choice of handgun i guess it's just a personal preference thing. chances are if you're going to have to shoot someone with a handgun, you're going to be pretty up close and personal, it probably wouldn't matter what gun ur using anyways......

[dem beats 1,223]

44 cents a round is ok with me for BS rounds. buy bulk you can ger good stuff for cheep didn't.

[helotaxi 46]

The USP was replaced a few years ago. The replacement is basically the same gun still. I completely agree with keeping a shotgun for home defense, in fact I have one. If the sound of the pump action gong doesn't scare them off, you're gonna need to use the gun, too. The only problem with a shotgun is where to keep it that it will be handy should you need it. It doesn't exactly fit in the nightstand.

I started off with an air gun as well. The first real gun I ever owned was the 20 ga that I still have. There's only one way to learn about guns and that's to be around them. Nothing wrong with wheelguns, but they're really not any more practical than autos.

dem beats- where are you finding larger caliber ammo for $.44 a round. Even surplus 5.56 in bulk is over $.50 a round here locally. Other than .22LR that's usually the cheapest rifle ammo out there.

[dem beats 1,223]

the bulk is junk but cheep.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/...?c=96&s=919

38 cents for the crap wolf steel case.

here is brass for cheep

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=365174

...and really, my roomate(closest buddy) has a father who just pretty much has ammo. Last time I was over there I got 30 plus rounds for the shotgun and 150 rounds of .45, because it needed to be blown through as it was old. Yes sometimes it's old or dirty, but it shoots true enough for the range when you want to have fun... and free is a plus.

I've only had 4 rounds jam out of the 1,500 rounds we have shot from those batches on the .45 ammo. The last time we took the 7mm mag out it went smooth as butter too.

so really... I don't know if he comes across .308 often, but at the price the guide sells it, I'm completely fine.