Time for a change

[Lord Baccus 1]

i have noticed a desterbing trend on every forum...

when someone post about :

Loud

SPL

or anything bigger than a 10" sub the SQ sharks come out in force and rain on our good time.

but GOD forbidd i rant on one of there rich boy toys *cough JL audio cough*

can we have a lil less nagging from the SQ bunch PLEASE???

how would they like it if i/we go into there threads and NON STOP SLAMM them for having over priced underpowered subs & whatever ???

cant we all just accept that everyone has a different point of view as to what sounds good

[JimJ 11]

What if I started saying I wanted to compete in SPL with a single sealed 8"? Would you just say "Fine", or would you try to correct me to something that would work better?

When they say "SQ", that immediately means a few things that aren't subjective. If they want SPL, then they should say that. Because then, they'll get recommendations that actually fit what they're looking for.

It's really pretty simple.

[///M5 2,833]

Actually it is you being an idiot. If the posts only included Loud & SPL it would never happen, but when you misapply terminology and then even worse bash something you don't know anything at all about it is absurd. If terminology was used even somewhat correctly it wouldn't be a problem.

[Lord Baccus 1]

Wow guys ! please calm down...

all im trying to point out is it has become a common trend,

that when anyone post i.e.

i have 4 15" and need a recomendation on a set of comps'''

out come the lame comments

i.e.

well if all you want to do is make noise !!!

and well just tyrn it down !!!

why not just point out a good set of comps and gentlly nudge someone over to your point of view without calling them an IDIOT.

by personally attacking someone that has a different point of view that yours is the sign of a weak mind.

and only validates my point.

if someone wanted to do SPL with an 8" sub in a sealed box !

i would not START off by personaly attacking there choice,

you catch more flys with sugar than you will with vinigar

M5/// when i came to you for addvice about trying to go a lil SQ, i welcomed your addvice

and did as much as i understood.

all i am trying to get across is sometimes it gets old with the lame comments about our choice of lisenning setups...

Edited March 24, 2008 by Lord Baccus

[JimJ 11]

why not just point out a good set of comps

Why, when their goal can be accomplished by something cheaper? That's like recommending a Z06 for someone who just needs to go to the supermarket.

There's a simple fact that you aren't going to hear the benefits of higher-priced sets in a situation like that - can't argue with that, it's not going to happen. So if you can't hear the difference, why would I recommend it?

And as for the "turn it down" comment...well, it's either going to be us saying that, or the police saying that...and I think we're cheaper

Also, please show me where I've personally attacked anyone for their choice. Usually, as soon as it turns to "man I want it to bang yo" I back out of the thread, because it stops being interesting to me.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Wow guys ! please calm down...

all im trying to point out is it has become a common trend,

that when anyone post i.e.

i have 4 15" and need a recomendation on a set of comps'''

out come the lame comments

i.e.

well if all you want to do is make noise !!!

and well just tyrn it down !!!

why not just point out a good set of comps and gentlly nudge someone over to your point of view without calling them an IDIOT.

by personally attacking someone that has a different point of view that yours is the sign of a weak mind.

and only validates my point.

if someone wanted to do SPL with an 8" sub in a sealed box !

i would not START off by personaly attacking there choice,

you catch more flys with sugar than you will with vinigar

M5/// when i came to you for addvice about trying to go a lil SQ, i welcomed your addvice

and did as much as i understood.

all i am trying to get across is sometimes it gets old with the lame comments about our choice of lisenning setups...

[Lord Baccus 1]

i never said you have personally attacked anyone...

im reffering to people that use words like Stuid, Idiot, Moron etc etc etc

to attack a nothers POV

[Dave Brooks 0]

I voted "be nice or be silent".

I'd rather be an SQ nerd than an SQ snob. For that reason, I only go to SPL threads to see if I can learn how to eventually get my truck nasty loud in the SPL department. You guys have it down to a science (most of you)... I'll shut up, watch, read, and experiment until I get something that works in my own weird way. I doubt it'll ever be able to compete SPL though simply because I've done so many SQ mods to the truck that it breaks all the SPL rules for competition. Start with subs forward of the b-pillars.

I wouldn't want SPL folks slamming us in the SQ side of the house of threads, that's for sure. The two worlds currently do not coexist... ([edit] in the purest sense of the terms)no reason to exacerbate it.

Terminology is perhaps the key. The only stupid thing I know of that is a definite is... stupid loud... and I like stupid loud.

You guys are of course welcome to call me a moron or any of the other names. I'll just pull out the pen from my pocket protector and kill you with kind words. Been there, done that.

Brooksie

Edited March 24, 2008 by Dave Brooks

[mrray13 30]

LB, if this is the thread that started this thread, http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...=15960&st=0 , please point out where anyone is calling down on people for their POV? i do see one mention of turning it down, but that was responded too in the appropiate manner for the situation.

i honestly see good advice being given by the sq snobs in this particular situation. and pretty much exactly what the OP is searching for. so, what gives?

yes, some members of this forum stick to a higher standard, but that doesn't make them snobs. can they change the way they reply? sure they could. but is it really going to make their answers any different?

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[Lord Baccus 1]

LB, if this is the thread that started this thread, http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...=15960&st=0 , please point out where anyone is calling down on people for their POV? i do see one mention of turning it down, but that was responded too in the appropiate manner for the situation.

i honestly see good advice being given by the sq snobs in this particular situation. and pretty much exactly what the OP is searching for. so, what gives?

yes, some members of this forum stick to a higher standard, but that doesn't make them snobs. can they change the way they reply? sure they could. but is it really going to make their answers any different?

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not !!!

just a ripple in the overwellming Tusnami of SQ guys with additudes bashing the SPL guys...

the i.e. i was reffering to is every thread for the last 2 yrs !

anyone posting i have a Killer quad sub setup getts hacked down by the Sq crowd

[JimJ 11]

LB, if this is the thread that started this thread, http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...=15960&st=0 , please point out where anyone is calling down on people for their POV? i do see one mention of turning it down, but that was responded too in the appropiate manner for the situation.

i honestly see good advice being given by the sq snobs in this particular situation. and pretty much exactly what the OP is searching for. so, what gives?

yes, some members of this forum stick to a higher standard, but that doesn't make them snobs. can they change the way they reply? sure they could. but is it really going to make their answers any different?

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

not !!!

just a ripple in the overwellming Tusnami of SQ guys with additudes bashing the SPL guys...

the i.e. i was reffering to is every thread for the last 2 yrs !

anyone posting i have a Killer quad sub setup getts hacked down by the Sq crowd

Where is this overwhelming tsunami you speak of?

Like I said, show me where I've done it, if it's really every post I'm sure I've done it somewhere

[///M5 2,833]

I never called you an idiot, I said you were being one. When you throw out the term SQ, or SQL, or LSQ or anything with the letter Q in it you should understand its meaning. If you don't want people who are truly into a good sounding system to respond, then use the appropriate terminology and it won't be an issue. What I don't understand is why the world who wants it loud and loud alone always asks for something else.

[Accordman 0]

I can see where your coming from, with the choices of components, as myself i like a flat response i just like it to be a loud flat response lol, so when i want some comps that keep up with everything else thats going on, the last thing i wanna hear is "go sealed or throw it away"

I havent particularly seen it alot here as i read more then i post, but other forums its pretty previlant that youll always get someone from the SQ crowd with comments about, well WTF are you running 5k to subs for.

Its all about personal taste in the long run, and i pretty much take the good and leave the bad with online forums, i learn what i can and what i dont like i just ignore it .

[Accordman 0]

I never called you an idiot, I said you were being one. When you throw out the term SQ, or LSQ, or LSQ or anything with the letter Q in it you should understand its meaning. If you don't want people who are truly into a good sounding system to respond, then use the appropriate terminology and it won't be an issue. What I don't understand is why the world who wants it loud and loud alone always asks for something else.

maybe they are lacking a certain freq range that they want to bring up to the other LOUD frequencies, and thats why they are asking questions based on "q"

[JimJ 11]

maybe they are lacking a certain freq range that they want to bring up to the other LOUD frequencies, and thats why they are asking questions based on "q"

Still doesn't make it "SQ"...

I can see where your coming from, with the choices of components, as myself i like a flat response i just like it to be a loud flat response lol, so when i want some comps that keep up with everything else thats going on,

See, but that's the wrong approach to take if you're truly into that. I totally agree with Dave Brooks in the "stupid loud" thing - but that takes a front stage that can play those high volumes realistically, without distorting or losing linearity...and that's a lot harder to do than putting some subs in the back and sending them kW's.

If you're into a flat response at earsplitting volumes, the way to go about it is to work on the front stage first, then worry about blending the subbass to that. Don't get me wrong, I like things loud - hell, otherwise I wouldn't be building BIB's or wanting to get Altecs or other really high-efficiency designs. But when it comes to the subbass, it has to concede to the mains, always, if you want a flat response or something approaching it.

[Lord Baccus 1]

during the week i would like to think i had something that resembled SQ even though on the wekends i am an SPL Warrior

i am not accusing anyone directlly i am trying to point out that there are better ways to get your point across.

id have to say there are a few even handed posters on this forum like Denim, and a few others that lead the exampel of being nice...

[///M5 2,833]

Just like not quiet doesn't equal SPL, not sounding like you have a fart cannon doesn't equal SQ...not even close

[Accordman 0]

maybe they are lacking a certain freq range that they want to bring up to the other LOUD frequencies, and thats why they are asking questions based on "q"

Still doesn't make it "SQ"...

I can see where your coming from, with the choices of components, as myself i like a flat response i just like it to be a loud flat response lol, so when i want some comps that keep up with everything else thats going on,

See, but that's the wrong approach to take if you're truly into that. I totally agree with Dave Brooks in the "stupid loud" thing - but that takes a front stage that can play those high volumes realistically, without distorting or losing linearity...and that's a lot harder to do than putting some subs in the back and sending them kW's.

If you're into a flat response at earsplitting volumes, the way to go about it is to work on the front stage first, then worry about blending the subbass to that. Don't get me wrong, I like things loud - hell, otherwise I wouldn't be building BIB's or wanting to get Altecs or other really high-efficiency designs. But when it comes to the subbass, it has to concede to the mains, always, if you want a flat response or something approaching it.

the first part

I wasnt stating that it makes it SQ, but what i was trying to itterate is that maybe his mids are alot lower then the tweets and subs and hes looking for a set of components to raise that particular aspect of his listening quality up.

the second part

totally makes sense but not all the time does a person know what they are in for when they purchase somethign , and now they have it all together and they see the deficiencys and are asking for help. IMO your approach tells them to throw the subs out and start over.

[JimJ 11]

during the week i would like to think i had something that resembled SQ even though on the wekends i am an SPL Warrior

I'm just curious, have you heard any SQ competition vehicles or maybe a demo room at a high-end audio store?

You're free to believe whatever you want, but I'm just curious what your reference is.

[Accordman 0]

Just like not quiet doesn't equal SPL, not sounding like you have a fart cannon doesn't equal SQ...not even close

i feel like your stating its all or none and thats definitely not the case, a person CAN have a mixture of the 2.

imo you can have high sound pressure levels while still having a flat responce with some tuning

[mrray13 30]

LB, if this is the thread that started this thread, http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...=15960&st=0 , please point out where anyone is calling down on people for their POV? i do see one mention of turning it down, but that was responded too in the appropiate manner for the situation.

i honestly see good advice being given by the sq snobs in this particular situation. and pretty much exactly what the OP is searching for. so, what gives?

yes, some members of this forum stick to a higher standard, but that doesn't make them snobs. can they change the way they reply? sure they could. but is it really going to make their answers any different?

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

not !!!

just a ripple in the overwellming Tusnami of SQ guys with additudes bashing the SPL guys...

the i.e. i was reffering to is every thread for the last 2 yrs !

anyone posting i have a Killer quad sub setup getts hacked down by the Sq crowd

while i don't fully disagree with what you are trying to point out, i think you are going a bit overboard. every thread the last two years? comeon, it has gone both ways. i can point out name calling on both sides. and with both sides starting it.

people are going to argue over terminology, definitions of loud and or quality and everything in between. and that is always going to cause friction.

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[Lord Baccus 1]

you do know during the week i fade the sub down to blend in with the rest of the music,

that is untill someone pulls up along side blasting "i got bit@hs i got H@es"

then i have the killer Knock drowned him OUT..

[JimJ 11]

imo you can have high sound pressure levels while still having a flat responce with some tuning

Yes, you can have high SPL in the very literal sense of the term and still have very realistic SQ. This is a goal I'm going for...I like when this happens.

But what happens is people take "SPL" to mean lots of subwoofers and lots of subbass - which is not SQ. As soon as you can easily localize the subbass, poof, SQ has now gone out the window.

[Accordman 0]

imo you can have high sound pressure levels while still having a flat responce with some tuning

Yes, you can have high SPL in the very literal sense of the term and still have very realistic SQ. This is a goal I'm going for...I like when this happens.

But what happens is people take "SPL" to mean lots of subwoofers and lots of subbass - which is not SQ. As soon as you can easily localize the subbass, poof, SQ has now gone out the window.

agreed, glad to see we pretty much have the same idea there

[Lord Baccus 1]

during the week i would like to think i had something that resembled SQ even though on the wekends i am an SPL Warrior

I'm just curious, have you heard any SQ competition vehicles or maybe a demo room at a high-end audio store?

You're free to believe whatever you want, but I'm just curious what your reference is.

Oh God Yess

i got to sit in more than a few SQ setups, that were done by people that really know what there doing

Todd Zier for example, wow... that dude is cool, every car / truck he does is SQ for real

and i loved the VW that had all Focal mids / highs / sub with Audison amps !!!

completlly overwelmingly CLEAR...

i try to get as close to that as i can but as we all know i lean towards the SPL Monster...