those with sound ordinance problems

[mrray13 30]

hey, a friend of mine almost got popped for a sound ordinance violation, lucky for him, he's in school to be a lawyer..

here's some advice he gave that helped him get out of the ticket..

1) check your local laws, know exactly what they say

2) if pulled over, don't argue. make known the fact that you are going to contest the violation, politely

3) ask how loud you were. " i could hear you 50 feet away" is almost certainly a "dismissal" it's on the state/county/city/township to prove how far away they were...and they have to be able to prove it.

4) if they do conduct a sound metering test, make sure the meter has been calibrated within a year(<--generally, a good rule of thumb). have them prove it.

5) being heard fifty feet away isn't against the law, as talking can be heard from fifty feet. there as to be a minimum db that constitutes the sound violation. did you break that minimum? don't use test tones or burned cd's above 128kps.

6) did you break the minimum? don't get worried yet. now you have them on discrimination, on the grounds of youth (most people who get pulled over for this are under the cop's age, and are probably a minor) and/or ,in my friends terminology, prejudice. why prejudice? have them test a harley (or any bike with no baffles), a car with flowmasters(or loud pipes period), a neighbor's lawnmower(make it an old crusty one,lol). see how loud they are at 50 feet. chances are at least one of them will be as loud, if not louder then you(especially if you are in a trunk car).

7) now do some research.....how many harley's (or any other type of motor vehicle)have been pulled over for the same violation? it's a matter of public record, so getting the files will be simple. might cost you a litte money, but to prove a point and /or save your audio equipment, it's should be worth it. chances are slim that you'll find any. now see how many violations have been issued for car stereo's. there will probably be more of these. now you see the discrimination based on prejudice? (has almost nothing to do with a person's color, though in an extreme case, that could be used as well) the police were prejudiced against your stereo..especially since most cops own a harley, hot rod or have a friend that does. do you believe they will give themselves, friend or family member the same ticket for their ride?

8) now you have a solid case, if still convicted, you have a civil suit. if you wish to persue it. chances are, if they haven't pulled over people for loud exhaust, tire noise (yep...listen to a set of boggers going down the road) or firing up their lawnmower at 6 am...you'll be let off, more then likely with a warning.

now this isn't a "get off scott free" ticket. you still need to boom responsibly. my friend was pulled over going home from school at 11am (lunch..hehe). he was sitting a intersection from the school to a local highway. no homes, one gas station and easily 1/2 mile (2640 feet) to the actually school facility. he was about 600 feet from the school's new gym/pool house. the cop was leaving the gas station and pulled up behind him. so he was only about 25 feet from him.

so please don't go around at 10 pm thru your kodasack with the system blaring. if you do that, you deserve the ticket.

btw, the friend's car and system?

2004 accord...rActive cat back exhaust, 17" wheels, lowered 3 or 4 inches, small wing on back, big stereoone decal in rear window...8w7 in 2.5ft^3 vented(the box looks that big..hehe, not real for sure), jl 1000/1..loud as hell for what it is.

anyway, i hope this helps....

again, do some research..be responsible and must of all, comsider the financial end of this arguement. it could get costly to fight this fight..weigh your options before you proceed. he was able to do it for free due to his course of study, criminal law. of course alot of you are in college..use the library to it's fullest potential.

any other tips or comments..please post. we've got to stand together to keep the right to boom!

i will post this on the other forums i frequent..

let's get it together!

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Edited September 4, 2004 by mrray13

[Tirefryr 1,742]

thru your kodasack

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My turn for Grammar Ninja!

It's cul-de-sac......

[mrray13 30]

thru your kodasack

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My turn for Grammar Ninja!

It's cul-de-sac......

i knew i was spelling it wrong..hehe..

thanks...

cul-de-sac <-----spelled it wrong again...sheesh...hehe(had a k instead of a c)

oh yeah...u don't like my reference to adire?? lol...i wish..

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Edited September 4, 2004 by mrray13

[Spkrman 0]

very informative and very true...

especially about that DAM lawnmore thing!!! Geez my neighbor used to have a honkin @$$ loud lawnmower and it woke me up at like 7AM every saturday... but no police ever cared about that.

But let my license plate rattle too much and bam, ticket. Or have someone call the cops on me after they (not so politely) asked me to turn it down and I DID... then the dumass cops give me a ticket, and it wasnt even ON when they came up?? Took that to court, said the system wasn't even *on* when they pulled up.. and the judge couldnt care less and bam, pay me 50 bux.

If I get another ticket I'm kickin some ass in court... been readin up on the laws and various posts like this.

[Godsmack 361]

very informative and very true...

especially about that DAM lawnmore thing!!! Geez my neighbor used to have a honkin @$$ loud lawnmower and it woke me up at like 7AM every saturday... but no police ever cared about that.

But let my license plate rattle too much and bam, ticket. Or have someone call the cops on me after they (not so politely) asked me to turn it down and I DID... then the dumass cops give me a ticket, and it wasnt even ON when they came up?? Took that to court, said the system wasn't even *on* when they pulled up.. and the judge couldnt care less and bam, pay me 50 bux.

If I get another ticket I'm kickin some ass in court... been readin up on the laws and various posts like this.

Make them give u a deposition. A lot of times cops can;t write one so they hang themselves. Its also awsome if u got witnesses. :whipitgood:

J