question about non polar caps

[pimpedout97x 4]

a 3.3uF MFD 100V cap, they use those on the tweets....says for 8 ohm drivers it crosses them @ 6k

ive got some other ones that say 100WV (not 100V like the other ones i have) and they say 3.3MFD 10%...are they the same?

also, "non-polar" what does that mean? someone said it means that it makes the amp not know what load the speakers are at

[JimJ 11]

someone said it means that it makes the amp not know what load the speakers are at

Stop listening to whoever you've been listening to.

Non-polarized simply means it's...non-polarized, doesn't matter which lead you connect where. Tantalum and mica caps are often like this, as opposed to electrolytic caps that are, often times.

I thought you were pushing a decent amount of power to these anyway? If you're going to ghetto-rig something, at least go the right way about it...

[pimpedout97x 4]

Well the audio pipe tweets come with the 3.3uf 100v cap, I'm not running a 3way xover in the mini, so I'm just gonna use these. They will be on a kicker kx300.2, 3 per ch, so it'll be 2.6 ohm I believe per channel.

[///M5 2,833]

The next time you do anything in a car, please perhaps share your plans before you start buying something. We can really make your life a lot better.

[pimpedout97x 4]

no need to make it better if its what i like....i understand that none of you like it, i do though, you act like im the only one lol....did you see pics from world finals in tampa? count how many cars you saw with MULTIPLE mids and bullet tweeters....they like it to, its for loud, not sq. i cant even ask a simple question on this site without you jumping down my throat dude, it gets old, enough with it already.

[Acidburn 10]

no need to make it better if its what i like....i understand that none of you like it, i do though, you act like im the only one lol....did you see pics from world finals in tampa? count how many cars you saw with MULTIPLE mids and bullet tweeters....they like it to, its for loud, not sq. i cant even ask a simple question on this site without you jumping down my throat dude, it gets old, enough with it already.

then stop coming here, numbnuts

[platnum accord 0]

argueing online is like the special olympics. even if you win your still "special" (to be politically correct).

[JimJ 11]

I'm going to spell this out for you nicely.

I can't speak for Sean, but my post was in the vein of trying to help you accomplish whatever ends you have in mind. I've long since come to terms that you don't like anything approaching what I'd call good sound, and that's fine. But there's a right and a wrong way to do what you're trying to do, too. And obviously you've been getting some bad advice from somewhere.

I thought you had enough amplifiers to run the bullet tweets active...because I have this feeling that you're going to be blowing many tweeters when using nothing but a 1st-order crossover on them. Doesn't have to have 3-way control, just a simple adjustable HP would do the job.

That's as straightforward as I can get...

[pimpedout97x 4]

i do have an amp just for the tweets. the HPF will be set, as well as the 1st order crossover. did you think i was going to be running these with the mids on the same amp? lol

[JimJ 11]

did you think i was going to be running these with the mids on the same amp? lol

Yeah, I did

It sounds like you can put a 2-way crossover in front of the midbass amp & the tweet amp...poof, problem solved and a ton more flexibility. Could run the tweets on a steeper Xover slope and not run a chance of roasting any.

[pimpedout97x 4]

what 2 way would you get? and not use the caps?

[JimJ 11]

Doesn't really matter...I'd probably get something Audiocontrol if it was my install, they build a decent product...

[///M5 2,833]

I'm going to spell this out for you nicely.

I can't speak for Sean, but my post was in the vein of trying to help you accomplish whatever ends you have in mind. I've long since come to terms that you don't like anything approaching what I'd call good sound, and that's fine. But there's a right and a wrong way to do what you're trying to do, too. And obviously you've been getting some bad advice from somewhere.

I thought you had enough amplifiers to run the bullet tweets active...because I have this feeling that you're going to be blowing many tweeters when using nothing but a 1st-order crossover on them. Doesn't have to have 3-way control, just a simple adjustable HP would do the job.

That's as straightforward as I can get...

I also don't care what you put in your car, but would rather that you put what you do decide on in the right way. My comment was directly related to the fact that you are always asking for advice after a purchase instead of discussing the plan with us upfront. In the case here, we all would have told you it is crazy to use a first order crossover on a tweeter in particular with no adjustability in a car when output is your sole goal. Do get a crossover, or a headunit that has one and use it. There is no place for passive anything in your install. While you are at it adding some eq or better yet a lot of eq would really help as well.

Stop taking the comments personally and realize that the direction they are coming from is helpful and when the comments aren't perhaps the direction wasn't a good choice in the first place. Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that we don't appreciate what you are installing.

As for your comment on the finals in Tampa and who uses what. Simple question, if there are a bunch of idiots committing suicide are you going to join them too? On top of that perhaps the people at the finals actually understand processing and driver choice and chose pro audio parts and enough processing to actually make them work. Unbeknownst to you I will be doing a pro audio install, albeit in a boat partly for efficiency and partly for long throw but it will be 12v based and loud. It won't quite make the cut as an SQ install, but the focus will still be there.

[pimpedout97x 4]

again, a majority of people running bullets use the caps instead of crossovers, becuase if you cross these too low, and if the slope is too low, they blow. has to be like a 36dB slope/octave, and like 4-6khz, also, i do have an EQ, a kicker KQ5.

as for the world finals comment, your example is completely opposite. i would commit suicide if all the other people did it. basically what you're saying is that im jumping on a bandwagon because everyone else is running a ton of mids and highs. im not. obviously i hear it all the time around here, its what i like, THATS why i run the speakers i do, not becuase i feel the need to "fit in" with other people around here.....if i lived in another state where theres 1 guy in the whole state that had bullets and PA mids, and i heard it and liked it, id probably run them as well. doesnt mean im trying to "copy" or "be like" that guy....

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[ANeonRider 3]

Ugh... dude, you need to get your information from a different source. Learn to listen!

Simple single order capacitor crossovers are ONLY -6dB slope!!!!!

[///M5 2,833]

no need to make it better if its what i like....i understand that none of you like it, i do though, you act like im the only one lol....did you see pics from world finals in tampa? count how many cars you saw with MULTIPLE mids and bullet tweeters....they like it to, its for loud, not sq. i cant even ask a simple question on this site without you jumping down my throat dude, it gets old, enough with it already.

what part of this and your sig "lots of eminence tweets and mids" has me defining you on the bandwagon? It is all what you said.

As for the crossover: first order = 6dB = simple cap which of course is exactly why we ALL recommended that you don't use them.

[pimpedout97x 4]

you say they're going to blow, yet all the others use them and they dont blow, thats what makes me wonder where you're pulling this info from...

[DevilDriver 28]

Point is...a single in-line capacitor is a 6dB/octave rolloff only. If you want 6th order rolloff, you'll need to look at something else.

[JimJ 11]

you say they're going to blow, yet all the others use them and they dont blow, thats what makes me wonder where you're pulling this info from...

Reality.

I give up.

Good luck.

[///M5 2,833]

you say they're going to blow, yet all the others use them and they dont blow, thats what makes me wonder where you're pulling this info from...

First I never said they would blow as it has absolutely nothing to do with why you should use what, but you are right as considering the shallow slopes they will provide there will be a much larger chance for them to blow. I am not pulling the info from anywhere, unless you consider logarithm mathematics rocket science or something unknown. Further amusing is that you requested my help in understanding one of these simple crossovers before and couldn't design one, but I did for you and you still question my statements on them??

I am still thoroughly amused at whomever is giving you advice, you claimed nobody in the past but whatever idiot he is should really take just a little time to understand rudimentary Physics and actually think for once instead of doing something based on what other idiots are doing. So far you haven't been led down the right path in understanding absolutely anything about acoustics, audio, or implementation. We on the other hand keep directing you the right way, but you aren't happy with our answers since they don't line up with what you have already falsely discovered

[pimpedout97x 4]

I am still thoroughly amused at whomever is giving you advice, you claimed nobody in the past but whatever idiot he is should really take just a little time to understand rudimentary Physics and actually think for once instead of doing something based on what other idiots are doing. So far you haven't been led down the right path in understanding absolutely anything about acoustics, audio, or implementation. We on the other hand keep directing you the right way, but you aren't happy with our answers since they don't line up with what you have already falsely discovered

no one is "giving" me advice, unless you're refering to all the manufactor's that make bullet tweeters, and include te 3.3uf 100v caps with them, and reccomend that you use them, if you dont have a crossover.

you say theres a bigger risk of blowing them. must not be that big, if people have been running 10+ of them in their cars, with only a cap on each one (and the HF on the amp set) and theirs havent blown....i understand its not the PROPER way to do it, but again, theyre loud, harsh sounding tweeters. theyre not seas or any other SQ type tweeter.

you keep saying that im doing it becuase others do, and yes, im going to use the caps becuase others have used them, and never had a problem blowing them. selenium, eminence, audiopipe (although not the best brands) but if they reccomend the cap to be used with their own product, i think it would work.

even though its a 6dB slope, its crossing them at 6k hz..i dont think any frequencies 6k and above are going to blow these tweeters.

if i take the same cap and put it on a 4 ohm driver, it crosses at 12khz, and a 2 ohm driver is 24k.......

[ANeonRider 3]

even though its a 6dB slope, its crossing them at 6k hz..i dont think any frequencies 6k and above are going to blow these tweeters.

It's not the frequencies above... its the ones below that you should be concerned with.

But, whatever, don't listen, do what you want, and please, leave. I would very happy if you did.

[///M5 2,833]

I am still thoroughly amused at whomever is giving you advice, you claimed nobody in the past but whatever idiot he is should really take just a little time to understand rudimentary Physics and actually think for once instead of doing something based on what other idiots are doing. So far you haven't been led down the right path in understanding absolutely anything about acoustics, audio, or implementation. We on the other hand keep directing you the right way, but you aren't happy with our answers since they don't line up with what you have already falsely discovered

no one is "giving" me advice, unless you're refering to all the manufactor's that make bullet tweeters, and include te 3.3uf 100v caps with them, and reccomend that you use them, if you dont have a crossover.

you say theres a bigger risk of blowing them. must not be that big, if people have been running 10+ of them in their cars, with only a cap on each one (and the HF on the amp set) and theirs havent blown....i understand its not the PROPER way to do it, but again, theyre loud, harsh sounding tweeters. theyre not seas or any other SQ type tweeter.

you keep saying that im doing it becuase others do, and yes, im going to use the caps becuase others have used them, and never had a problem blowing them. selenium, eminence, audiopipe (although not the best brands) but if they reccomend the cap to be used with their own product, i think it would work.

even though its a 6dB slope, its crossing them at 6k hz..i dont think any frequencies 6k and above are going to blow these tweeters.

if i take the same cap and put it on a 4 ohm driver, it crosses at 12khz, and a 2 ohm driver is 24k.......

Unlike yourself, I know how they work. With that crossed at 6k you will only be down 12dB at 1500hz.

Umm and all the pro-audio manufacturers pretty much recommend bi-amping and digital crossovers on the front end as well. The cap is just included as an oh shit protection device and not really meant to be used. Either way, I guess you know more than we do so go ahead.