Power Up Grade With Maxx-Link

[Raymond Farmer 4]

Hello Every Body,

I already spoke to Jake about this and I asked him not to mention it until I was ready. But here it is. I finally....finally....FINALLY....got to test two SAZ3000D's in a dbDrag street A application. Now this is kinda crazy but here it goes.

I first tested one amp at 0.25ohm by itself. The results were 71.3 amps, 52.1 volts gave 3714.73 watts with a box rise of 0.73ohms. The amp continued to go into protect after 2 seconds into the rolled up burp.

I then tested the amps at 1 ohm the results

amps: 38.5

volts: 78.3

watts: 3014.55

box rise of 2.03

Second amp gave 2939 watts with same box rise.

I then tested the two amps strapped at 1 ohm(each amp sees 0.5ohms). The results

amps: 59.98

volts: 99.3

watts: 5956.98

box rise of 1.65 each amp saw 0.825 no protection problems

NOW. After testing these amps alone I tested them linked with the maxx-link.

amps 63.3

volts 117.3

watts a staggering 7425.09

box rise of 1.85 ohms, each amp is seeing 0.95 ohms, no protection problems

Sorry I know there maybe some doubters, but I did the test 3 times yesterday, emailed and called Jake. Waited 2 more hours did the test again. Waited until I got off of work today and did the test several more times. So I approximately did the test 6 to 8 times. The results stayed the same. I will let you all know I have the battcap 8400 that delivers 10000 short circuit cranking amps. So the battery is the top of the line for spl. Please If anyone has any clue what I might have done Wrong or right, comments are welcomed. These results are so good I cant believe them my f'n self.

Ray (Team-Man Up)

[kandiman71874 0]

Ray, those are some bad ass results man, and having seen your knowledge spilled all over Steves forum, i dont see how you could have done the tests thats manytimes and had an error in the testing with hitting the same results.

one question, what were the resting and burped voltages the amps were seeing coming into them. one more way to make all the people that wanna talk chit on Sundown shut up when they see the wattage output and what voltage was being thrown at them loaded...

Edited October 24, 2007 by kandiman

[Raymond Farmer 4]

Now I do mine a little different, I take it from the battery and from the amp power terminals. Before the amp was cut on, the resting voltage was 12.6. When the amp was cut on the resting voltage was 12.3 at the battery and the amp. Now I do a roll up burp. After burping, the votage at the battery was 10.2 and believe it or not the voltage at the amp was 9.8 (15 feet of zero gauge wires from the battery to the amp). The battery has enough amperage to sustain the amps. Now that tells you how much power I was pumping into the amps.

Now the maxx-link divides the single without loosing single power. When you link amps master-slave you loose alot of your signal, thats why combinding the maxxlink with an efficient amp like the SAZ series, is beneficial because you sustain power. Theorectically if you have 2 amps that gives RMS of 3000 watts and link them you should get 6000. Not so because in the linking process you get a weaker signal which causes a lost in power.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[sundownz 197]

That is a wicked battery you have there.

[loudcav 1]

would a line driver likely provide the same results?

cause Ive been running one of the memphis 9 volt line drivers to my 3000d

[Raymond Farmer 4]

I dont know about that line driver. This Maxxlink is a linedriver of course, but it inverse phases the signal to the second amp enabling the two amps to link like in a master-slave configuration. Instead of the second amp having to link as the slave amp, they both are in master mode. Which keeps the signal to both amps even and strong, as well as keeping them from readily going into protect. But a basic line driver does not do that. But I am proud of the Sundown Line and the Maxx-Link Combo, which give you....ta da That was soooo corny

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[charlie28oh 0]

I dont know about that line driver. This Maxxlink is a linedriver of course, but it inverse phases the signal to the second amp enabling the two amps to link like in a master-slave configuration. Instead of the second amp having to link as the slave amp, they both are in master mode. Which keeps the signal to both amps even and strong, as well as keeping them from readily going into protect. But a basic line driver does not do that. But I am proud of the Sundown Line and the Maxx-Link Combo, which give you....ta da That was soooo corny

Ray (Team Man-Up)

just curious would you need 1 maxxlink per pair or can you strap multipule amps off of 1 i'm not familiar with the maxxlink ?

[johnecon2001 82]

I thought you could do more than 2 amps off of one maxx link, but I may have read wrong.

[ford302redneck 15]

Interesting.

[Raymond Farmer 4]

You can link up to 5 pairs of amps. Each pair must be the same amp. But I dont know if you can or should use 5 different pairs of amps.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[charlie28oh 0]

You can link up to 5 pairs of amps. Each pair must be the same amp. But I dont know if you can or should use 5 different pairs of amps.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

yeah my goal would be 2 pair of identical amps on 1 maxxlink , thanks for clearing that up . what woofers do you run i've got my amps picked out i'm just trying to decide on woofers

[sundownz 197]

You can link up to 5 pairs of amps. Each pair must be the same amp. But I dont know if you can or should use 5 different pairs of amps.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

yeah my goal would be 2 pair of identical amps on 1 maxxlink , thanks for clearing that up . what woofers do you run i've got my amps picked out i'm just trying to decide on woofers

I run four SAZ-3000Ds on my Maxx-Link I gained 0.3 dB installing it compared to without it... haven't quite finished tweaking it yet either.

[Raymond Farmer 4]

You can link up to 5 pairs of amps. Each pair must be the same amp. But I dont know if you can or should use 5 different pairs of amps.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

yeah my goal would be 2 pair of identical amps on 1 maxxlink , thanks for clearing that up . what woofers do you run i've got my amps picked out i'm just trying to decide on woofers

It depends on your goal. If you have the money, critical mass UL12 subwoofer would be my first and only pic for SQ. It sounds terrific, loud and light as a feather. I have 3 of them. I also recommend FI audio, DD audio or Kicker, mainly Solo x. But if those are not in your budget, FI audio again. My opinion, FI audio are the best sounding subs for the money. For spl nothing beats DD, now once again, in my opinion. But Jake may come out with an answer for that. If DD is out of your budget range, T3 audio is great as well. But the SAZ3000D's are great amps no matter what your budget is. And I am sure you all will agree.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[Raymond Farmer 4]

OH btw, Jake recommended that I buy the Maxxlink. I dont think he had any idea I would get those types of power results. Neither did I. Thanks Jake.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[Parker 2]

You can link up to 5 pairs of amps. Each pair must be the same amp. But I dont know if you can or should use 5 different pairs of amps.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

yeah my goal would be 2 pair of identical amps on 1 maxxlink , thanks for clearing that up . what woofers do you run i've got my amps picked out i'm just trying to decide on woofers

It depends on your goal. If you have the money, critical mass UL12 subwoofer would be my first and only pic for SQ. It sounds terrific, loud and light as a feather. I have 3 of them. I also recommend FI audio, DD audio or Kicker, mainly Solo x. But if those are not in your budget, FI audio again. My opinion, FI audio are the best sounding subs for the money. For spl nothing beats DD, now once again, in my opinion. But Jake may come out with an answer for that. If DD is out of your budget range, T3 audio is great as well. But the SAZ3000D's are great amps no matter what your budget is. And I am sure you all will agree.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

But the SAZ3000D's are great amps no matter what your budget is. And I am sure you all will agree.

X2 I love mine

[jmenace 0]

where would i be able to pick one up cause i plan on strapping 2 3000ds to 2 BTLs

[Parker 2]

where would i be able to pick one up cause i plan on strapping 2 3000ds to 2 BTLs

try ikesound.com they're only like $75

[jmenace 0]

do i need a PDA phone or something of that nature to run it

[TRZ 0]

Sundown version maxx link, hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ?saz link ? with output line voltage digital display?????

[sundownz 197]

I don't have any plans for a similar product anytime soon -- too much on my plate already

[splblazer98 1]

Wow that is a big power jump

If your batt was floating higher dont you think you couldve got more power out of the amps tho?

[Raymond Farmer 4]

Maybe.....In the dbdrag street class A and B, you only can have one battery at 12 volts. They allow resting up to 13.99999 infinity. The maximum amount of power I've seen out of a pair of amps, regardles of there power rating, in street classes (ab), is 7500+ a strapped pair. So I am very happy with my results. Now when I add 2 more amps for street B will I get the same results.......Naah!!! I suspect I would get any where between 5500 to 6000 watts a strapped pair. That is still excellent. Now Street C, where you can have two batteries, I might be able to maintain 7500 a strapped pair if I only use 4 amps and not 8 as the rules allow.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[Raymond Farmer 4]

Now remember, not to brag or boast I am making a point, these are damn good results for them being a one battery setup. The batcap 8400 is a bad mofo. Cuppled with the fact these amps are very efficient at 0.5 ohms, makes it a very good setup. Also remember the car was completely shut off and the battery charger was disconnected from the battery. So this was an official dbdrag competiton setup.

Ray (Team Man-Up)

[sundownz 197]

Very impressive results indeed, Ray. I may have to add a Batcap 8400 or two to my bank of batteries to help w/ the all out SPL burps

[stealth 113]

so any tips on setting this, i have one and 2 3ksazs. so the output should be set at 6.0volts. do i just have to gain match them, or do i gotta set the filters the same as well. or is it just that i have to open them on the amp more wide then im actually gonna set it at the maxx link.