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well i have a 18" btl dual 1 ohm fully loaded daily sub.

i know this sub will rattle the hell out of my 86 Monte but how will it do with music sound quality. she will be in about 5-6 cubes at 32hz. and powered at 2300 rms.

now would i be better of switching out my 2 of my 6.5's on the doors for a set of components and then the other to 6.5's for a mid bass. i also have 3.5's in the dash 4x10's in the rear deck and a set of 6.5's in the rear interior panel.

so i would think with those speakers i could get a good sounding system and turn the bass down low.

if my thinking is flawed sorry.

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the BTL should be fine daily. lots of people run 1, or multiple BTLs in a daily system, with thousands of watts.

i use MTs, ive never heard a BTL, but im very happy with my MTs.

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well i have a 18" btl dual 1 ohm fully loaded daily sub.

i know this sub will rattle the hell out of my 86 Monte but how will it do with music sound quality. she will be in about 5-6 cubes at 32hz. and powered at 2300 rms.

now would i be better of switching out my 2 of my 6.5's on the doors for a set of components and then the other to 6.5's for a mid bass. i also have 3.5's in the dash 4x10's in the rear deck and a set of 6.5's in the rear interior panel.

so i would think with those speakers i could get a good sounding system and turn the bass down low.

if my thinking is flawed sorry.

Run 1 set of 6.5" components in the front, amp them, deaden your front doors, and get rid of all the other speakers. That will give you a good starting point for any semblance of SQ.

As for the BTL, a SQ driver it is most certainly not.

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well i have a 18" btl dual 1 ohm fully loaded daily sub.

i know this sub will rattle the hell out of my 86 Monte but how will it do with music sound quality. she will be in about 5-6 cubes at 32hz. and powered at 2300 rms.

now would i be better of switching out my 2 of my 6.5's on the doors for a set of components and then the other to 6.5's for a mid bass. i also have 3.5's in the dash 4x10's in the rear deck and a set of 6.5's in the rear interior panel.

so i would think with those speakers i could get a good sounding system and turn the bass down low.

if my thinking is flawed sorry.

Run 1 set of 6.5" components in the front, amp them, deaden your front doors, and get rid of all the other speakers. That will give you a good starting point for any semblance of SQ.

As for the BTL, a SQ driver it is most certainly not.

i quess i will have to build up my speakers other than the subs i already have a set of diamond components in the kicks. ill add another in the door. i could add a 8 inch mid bass to the door also.

would i be better off to sell the btl and get a loaded bl (can it take 2300 watts daily and still shake the chit out of my car if need be

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Music sound quality?

Shaking the shit out of cars?

Where are you people getting your definitions :(

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um i just don't wanna be all technical. if yall rather me post like that i will

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um i just don't wanna be all technical. if yall rather me post like that i will

well on the bright side i sold the btl to my brother for 400.

should i pick up a bl or a q and instead of 1 18 would i be better off with two 12's

and im wanting LSQ

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For my .02, maybe only .01...

I would set up some comps in the front the way you like, like said above with deadening....put the mids in door or better kicks if you can, tweeters in kick or dash or both if you want...try them and see but more speakers is not necessarily better. Then I'd run 8s for midbass in the doors but you will have to bandpass them. The 12s or an 18...whatever works better for the space you have I guess. I have 4 12s but they are IB so I have most all of my trunk to use and with 4 I can hit 30Hz nice and still get some output with no box. Only have 400wrms on them but its loud enough for me for now.

I like to run rear fill, I think it can sound better but many say toss them. Just set them lower so the music comes from the front to you the most, it also depends on how big the car is mine the rears are same distance from my head as the fronts so time alignment is not an issue. They still can sound wrong if the two sets of speakers don't get along for whatever reason, you do have to be careful doing it. They can cancel out sounds. If you run them separate it is easy enough to test.

What you might end up doing is setting up the subs to run down to ~30Hz and hit hard at ~50. Then you can dial the crossover down for SQ and up to shake the car. It depends on how the 8s put out but better SQ is often having the subs play under about 50. I play with my crossover every song at times but don't have it dialed in the way I want yet either. I want to put 8s in for midbass next. With my IB subs they do get louder up higher, I can turn the crossover up to 80 and they are much louder than down at 45...but it sounds better with them low, except my mids are lacking thus why I want 8s. Right now I have them higher but the slope is EQed out of them. IMHO when you run a good sub and you like it to rumble, you need good midbass to help connect the powerful subs with the rest of the system. The right 6.5" can do it but I want 8s.

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Qs are our "SQ" (if they must have a label) series of subs. They will definitely get loud if you want them too as well. While I prefer sealed, most like the added boost of a ported enclosure and dont worry about group delay or the exagerated bottom end. A pair of 12s works great for a solid daily driver and with 2300W, you do great. Or a sealed pair of 15s for a little more SQ oriented setup with still solid output.

Thanks,

Scott

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ok here's a small comparison. i just switch from two 12" infinity kappa perfects in a dual-chambered sealed box (SQ setup of course) to a 15'' Q with bp in a 4.8 cube ported box to 28 hz. just put it in today and the SQ is much more fuller and pure then the sealed 12's, and you want volume?? well not broken in yet and gain is down a little but i can def. draw attention from a long ways, and afraid of busting the tracks on my sunroof already lol. it's slamming!!!

Scott, awesome job helping me out!! this is exactly what i wanted and better then i could have dreamed!!

(i'm matt, not sure if you remember from tampa, blue collared shirt, blue plaid shorts, big mofo)

thanks for the shirt man tomorrow Fi decals go on the car woohoo!!

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If you bought a BTL and enjoyed it, you don't understand and more importantly do not want an SQ installation. First and foremost do realize that in a true SQ install you will not know that you have subs. This doesn't mean you won't have bass, but if you can truly tell that you have subs in the car you have failed your SQ installation. LSQ by description would be loud SQ so the above holds true, but perhaps you have a bit more headroom than a standard SQ install. If you owned a BTL you want bump and that and SQ are dire opposites.

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lol don't say you wouldn't know you have subs. you would definitely know, it's just that for most people there lows (65 and below) drown out all the mid-bass and and a lot of the mids. SQ just has them all blend together equally and you can hear each dynamic of the music. if you throw eagles-hotel california in and the beginning bass line comes and you can't tell if there's subs, you have a serious hearing issue.

sorry not meaning to contradict what your saying, I completely understand what your saying, but not how i would have worded it.

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Matt,

Glad its exceeding expectations. Nice meeting you and your friend at Finals (thanks for taking the time to stop by). Please keep us posted on how it sounds long term.

Thanks,

Scott

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if you throw eagles-hotel california in and the beginning bass line comes and you can't tell if there's subs, you have a serious hearing issue.

Then I guess I have serious hearing issues, because I've heard 5.25's in kicks play that so well that subs weren't necessary :) The BIB's will do that too, but they don't count :D

I preferred the Q's sealed as well, and they had enough output that the BP option is useless IMO. But others don't feel that way...

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