We need a new class

[Lord Baccus 1]

i am sick of not having an SQ/SPL Hybrid class

we could call it LSQ-VFL

im bored with just 1 or the other

anyone else like to hear the rest of the music loud enuff to mush your brain into peanut butter.... without distortion ? or as lil as possiable

[///M5 2,833]

and exactly how would you judge a compromise between the two?

[Lord Baccus 1]

i thought i would see if anyone had any suggestions on that...

we could let the crowd get in on it ???

have a sound off for 1-3 min and let the crowd decide by casting a vote for which system was loud enuff to raise the hair on your arm, yet had the cleanist sound...

[///M5 2,833]

Personally I am on the other side of the fence and think SPL comps are useless so it won't do anything for me.

edit: so a new class where you take a good sounding system and make it worse doesn't help

[JimJ 11]

Considering most people are horrible judges of distortion, I don't think that would work.

I think you're confused about this...there's nothing that says SQ has to be quiet. Why do you think line arrays and horns that take up people's empty rooms are around Reproducing a full orchestra, for example, takes an assload of efficiency to get to those levels without distortion. That's not what compromises the sound.

Where you start running into compromises is when there's a bloated, peaky substage that was never there in the first place...or speaker placements that ruin any chance of a coherent image...

[Lord Baccus 1]

i guess i sit on the fence

i really like the crisp clear mids & Higs

and i like the Bass pressance that can be felt for 4 blocks away...

or in short being able to drownd out the guy sitting in the car next to me

John Stussell from 20/20 can kiss my @ss...

he called us Boom Teriorist

[JimJ 11]

Stossel maybe took that a bit too far, but unless nobody lives in those 4 blocks I agree with the premise.

[Lord Baccus 1]

i have to addmitt i do respect people and there homes...

school zones churchs etc etc etc...

but on the open road or in a bussiness area your @ss is mine

and JS took it way beyond far he accused everyone that owns a system of Teriorizing the elderlly in their homes and being a bunch of Cholo bandana warring w/ tatoos on our necks

oh well back to the issue

how can SQ be not loud most competitions limit the db to 90/130db depending on the show you attend,

i think 151db can be clean and booming as well

are there cars/trucks that do this well ?

Edited September 20, 2007 by Lord Baccus

[///M5 2,833]

I disagree with your preface, 151dB on your front stage will deafen you permanently in no time. Clean if your deaf is meaningless.

[ANeonRider 3]

x2

I can't see a need to ever have a front stage that plays any louder than I can. At the end of the day, you need your ears to complete daily tasks as well.

[Lord Baccus 1]

oh my bad i ment 151db over all ...

i did a 126db with just the door speakers & rear 6x9s

only found that out cuss the sub out on my Kdc-x979 seconds before i pulled into the lane to burpppppppppppppp

[///M5 2,833]

oh my bad i ment 151db over all ...

i did a 126db with just the door speakers & rear 6x9s

only found that out cuss the sub out on my Kdc-x979 seconds before i pulled into the lane to burpppppppppppppp

If your subs do 150dB and you have an SQ setup your mids and tweets will do 150dB.

[dem beats 1,223]

oh my bad i ment 151db over all ...

i did a 126db with just the door speakers & rear 6x9s

only found that out cuss the sub out on my Kdc-x979 seconds before i pulled into the lane to burpppppppppppppp

If your subs do 150dB and you have an SQ setup your mids and tweets will do 150dB.

dear god I would want to die. I saw an Ibeam that was hit with around 20-25khz or so at 165+ish DB, it literaly ccrumbled.

(my budy is lucky and has a job where he must break things with sound and records what happens)

SOund can devistate things\\

It was blasted for few days.

Edited October 16, 2007 by dem beats

[johnecon2001 82]

Obviously you're all fogetting about weighting the dB measuring.

With A weighting you get a roll off at about 100hz on a 37dB slope. With C weighting you measure the full 20Hz-20kHz. B weighting rolls at around 50Hz and isn't used as often as C or A.

Don't get me started about U weighting (ultrasonic).

In essence what I'm trying to say is 150dB at 50Hz is NOT the same as a front stage system playing at 150dB. Bass tones don't effect you the same as 200Hz+ tones do.

[dem beats 1,223]

Obviously you're all fogetting about weighting the dB measuring.

With A weighting you get a roll off at about 100hz on a 37dB slope. With C weighting you measure the full 20Hz-20kHz. B weighting rolls at around 50Hz and isn't used as often as C or A.

Don't get me started about U weighting (ultrasonic).

In essence what I'm trying to say is 150dB at 50Hz is NOT the same as a front stage system playing at 150Hz. Bass tones don't effect you the same as 200Hz+ tones do.

damn skippy!

[flakko 1]

i am sick of not having an SQ/SPL Hybrid class

we could call it LSQ-VFL

im bored with just 1 or the other

anyone else like to hear the rest of the music loud enuff to mush your brain into peanut butter.... without distortion ? or as lil as possiable

maybe we can call it : "Daily Driver" ?