help with front stage setup

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

im keeping the door panels factory, but i think im going to throw a set of kicker SSMB8's (8" midbass) in the doors and 5.25's in the kicks, problem is, dont know what 5.25's to use (i was thinking boston pro5's) and secondly, will just those as a front stage keep up with 145+db? the other idea was to just IB a set of 8" subs. any input would be great! thanks

[///M5 2,833]

I would highly recommend not using an 8" midbass with a 5.25" midrange, it will really defeat the purpose of going 3 way.

[b5i8 0]

Are you sure a 8" would even fit in a factory door? I know for sure it will not fit in my 350Z. The problem in my door is the mounting depth of the woofer. The magnet may end up hitting your window when you roll them down.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

i would ofcourse have to make a baffle to fit the 8" in the door, the backside of the speaker grill on the door panel has enough plastic to be shaved off that i can pull the midbass out 2 inches without touching the panel.

///M5; why exactly would the 8" midbass defeat the purpose of a 3 way setup? sorry if thats a noob question but it makes sense to me so.. i mean would it be more beneficial to use a actual 8" sub like the JL's? 2 sets of 6.5s of 5.25s wont give me the midbass im looking for..

[ramos 2]

I don't really know what m5 means , but I think with using an 8" midbass. There is really no need to go with such a large mid as a 5 1/4 " . Tons of 4" and smaller mids on the market that would fit the bill just as well , and would be easier to integrate

[///M5 2,833]

/\ what I meant. I love the idea of the 8, but mixing it with a 5.25 is the dumb part. A real dedicated midrange driver would be much better. Personally I prefer 3" drivers to the 4's even, but part of that is I have heard a couple 4's that didn't do what I would want while most of the 3's have come much closer.

[ANeonRider 3]

4.5" Scanspeak Revelators are something I'd love to try

[///M5 2,833]

4.5" Scanspeak Revelators are something I'd love to try

I personally prefer the midrange of your Aura's to them significantly, but I did listen to them side by side with no tweeter support as well.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

alright, good, thats more of the input i was after, who makes a set that size that isnt part of a 3-way component setup though? its gonna have to be pretty beefy because im going to push alot of power to them..

am i going the right direction with the Kicker SSMB8 8" midbass? or should i be using a real 8" sub and adjust it to play same frequencies? seems that the kicker cvr 8" for example(basically same specs as ssmb8 but for a woofer) has a lower frequency response and doesnt lost much up top. i havent decided for sure, but ill probably be using the memphis processer/eq... if it matters

[///M5 2,833]

It is all going to depend on how much of this you can swallow. Not sure that there is a Memphis processor that can actually handle a 3 way appropriately and the processing is going to be the tough part here. Not that it is extremely difficult, but there just aren't all that many options to be able to handle a full 3 way set actively.

If you are really throwing power at something you might want to look at the Rev's, it was a really good recommendation albeit expensive one. I did forget to leave out that the I heard the Rev's and Aura's side by side free air (damped with an acoustic towel) and I do know that the Scan's in particular really need an enclosure to come to life which is probably the only reason they didn't do what I wanted. I would expect a re-listen in an enclosure would change it but they would be run IB in my car so it wasn't a choice I was interested in. Plus the damn price tag.

Personally the Kicker midbass doesn't do anything for me, but I can't say that I have heard one properly installed. This does bring up another point, your install is going to be very involved to get it to sound right at all. If you don't have a lot of experience I would guess you are going to need more than 80 hours just to get everything in and that doesn't include the weeks of driving around with drivers aimed at different locations to see how they sound.

[ANeonRider 3]

This does bring up another point, your install is going to be very involved to get it to sound right at all. If you don't have a lot of experience I would guess you are going to need more than 80 hours just to get everything in and that doesn't include the weeks of driving around with drivers aimed at different locations to see how they sound.

Truth.

Although, I'll admit... I never mocked up my drivers at all... just temp mounted the rings, put them in the car, had a look & decided on the positioning... then made it permanent.

But, I don't recommend anyone else do that... take your time. Took me probably close to/over 100 hours to complete all the work I did.

[///M5 2,833]

This does bring up another point, your install is going to be very involved to get it to sound right at all. If you don't have a lot of experience I would guess you are going to need more than 80 hours just to get everything in and that doesn't include the weeks of driving around with drivers aimed at different locations to see how they sound.

Truth.

Although, I'll admit... I never mocked up my drivers at all... just temp mounted the rings, put them in the car, had a look & decided on the positioning... then made it permanent.

But, I don't recommend anyone else do that... take your time. Took me probably close to/over 100 hours to complete all the work I did.

You also have nearly equal PLD and drivers that are particularly nice off axis...yet another reason to not use a big midrange.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

ill admit this is more than im used to doin with installs, but ive been doing install for a few years now. i feel that my personal car should show my capabillities, as im sure you would know.. my door is too thin to to be able to make an enclosure, it has to be IB. but adjusting the driver angles shouldnt be too much trouble. im not going to be cutting any corners with the project, i just want to make sure my equipment is capable

im pretty decided on the set of CDT EuroSport 4" 2-way setup to go in the kicks of my car, i heard a set in a 350z recently and i was very impressed.. so now im just deciding on my midbass driver and a capable crossover/processor.. til then i still have about 700,000 rolls of edead going in haha

[///M5 2,833]

I'd highly recommend Second Skin or Raamat over eDuh'd.

[Acidburn 10]

I'd highly recommend Second Skin or Raamat over eDuh'd.

x2

[theothermike 0]

id suggest peerless sls 7" dedicated midbass, with 3" iridium mid ranges or maybe some scan speak mid ranges, coupled with a nice seas tweeter.... yummmmmmmm

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

the iridiums i heard were in my oppionion not worth the money, they sounded great but the cost is too much..

i havent used the raamats or second skin, but ive used eDeadV2 on several cars now and have had great results, alot of people bash them but theyve got some stuff that really performs well..

i cant find any of the scanspeak or peerless sets your refferring.. all im finding is home audio, do you have a link?

[///M5 2,833]

they are raw drivers. not home audio, not car audio, just audio.

As for the eDuh'd you obviously never tried v1, nor have you tried to contact customer service with eD. Just frigging crap. Owner is an ass and no-one should EVER do any business with him. To top it off bang for the buck Raamat and Second Skin both work way better.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

true i cant say i have, but i get 65% off, so its 1/2 the price of the raamats, and its alot thicker, it shall do =)

ok maybe a stupid question, but the drivers im seeing from scanspeak are all like 8+ ohm except 1 or 2.. and i didnt see any of them being IB, only actual midbass driver was a paper cone, which sounds like home audio, i wouldnt use a paper cone for a car.

i saw the PL22WR09 wich is a 8" midbass from Peerless, but again, its 8ohm and not IB

am i missing something here?

[///M5 2,833]

Even at 65% off I am not interested. Curious as to how you manage that discount though.

Yep, all 8 ohm thankfully which is a much better option across the board. Don't expect anything to be labeled IB, do remember these are raw drivers. As for the paper cone, not quite sure why it matters whether it is car or home audio. Many components use paper drivers. There are tons of other options as well though that aren't paper, but all of the Scanspeak Revelators are paper.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

my coworker just recently sold his car that was sponsored by ED, so he still gets the good hookups.. anyways, im not sure how i would use an 8ohm speaker, how would i wire a typical 2 channel amp to power that?

///M5; your knowledge overwhelms me =D haha

[ANeonRider 3]

Like you would wire a 4 ohm driver...

Read the article in the technical area about Efficiency.

I wouldn't touch anything eD even if it was free... a matter of principle due to the crook that runs the company.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

i might be getting a deal on a set of hybrid audio 3way component, 8", 4", 1" and just go active with that... might be worth it to spend the extra and get a combo ive heard before

[///M5 2,833]

I am sure Scott's stuff is great, but do remember that the install is what will make that set and if you half ass it you might as well save yourself a lot of money and go cheaper.

[SilviaVsSupra 0]

install will be done as tedious as possible.. im not gonna spend the money and then crap the install.. my personal car should be a example of my abilities, obviously il shoot for for perfection.

has anyone ever heard the Resonant Engineering 8s? the RE-8(wonder who thought of that one!) i know a guy down south thats got a set, il have to find an excuse to drive an hour to miami for a listen