New System Plans

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Well few of you know the tranny went in the buick that i planned on walling off w/ a pair of 3518's. Well i deside to start looking for a 88-98 silverado or siera to do a cut thro on. Well yesterday i ordered my second set of Digital Designs 3518's. The new system plans go as followed.

Head Unit : Panasonic CQ-VD7003U w/ Panasonic CA-DC300U Ipod Adapter and 2GB Ipod Nano

Sound Processors : Audio Control Three.1

Subwoofer : Digital Designs 3518's x4

Subwoofer Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAZ-1500D x4 (each pair strapped @ 1)

Subwoofer Enclosure : 28ft^3 @ 35hz Wall

Mids : Seas CD18RE-MDS H1426-04 x12

Highs : DLS Iridium x4

Mids and Highs Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAX-100.4 x2

Front Battery : Optima Red Top D34/78

Rear Battery : Kinetik HC2400 x4

Alternator : Excessive Amperage 300A x2

Wire and Accessories: Kicker

Comments and Concerns Welcome

Thanks

Corey

Edited August 23, 2007 by SundownAudioNY

[fuzzyping 0]

Sick (in a good way).

[///M5 2,833]

too many mids, way too many mids. I understand you are looking for output from the fronts and I probably have a bigger Seas boner than anyone on this site but using 12 doesn't make any sense. IMO you should up the size of the midbass and use a dedicated midrange as well.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Thats why i posted, dont have alot of experence diy comps and crazy front stages so im kinda open to opions on that. Just kinda went with a suggestion from a couple people. Just looking for a crazy loud front stage (but still sound good, no ghey eminence)

Corey

[sundownz 197]

I almost crapped when I saw that...

What I would do with the mids is this -- use eight of them for midbass and four for midrange!

Or... step up to a single 10" or 12" midbass per door.

Also... may I suggest PowerMaster D3100 batteries? D3100 > Kinetik 2400.

[///M5 2,833]

Personally I'd use some converted "subs" for midbass and some pro-audio mids. Most definitely not Eminence, but perhaps some B&C stuff. There are really a ton of options but it comes down to where you are going to fit what, your budget, and how much power you are going to throw at it. From my perspective you should force everything to fit up front.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Sence i cant get the quote reply to work on this forum for some reason

Jacob - Thats a good idea, like i said not realy sure what to do. Just got talking w/ rich last night and thats what we came up with. Also i would prefer to run power master d3100's but i can get a slight discount on the hc2400's localy so i probally will go w/ them just due to the price. I would love to run pm bats and alts. What would you suggest for a crazy loud (but clean sounding) mids and highs set-up? What ever amps (100.2 or 100.4's)

Corey

[SundownAudioNY 0]

///M5 - Well for locations to mount drivers your looking at, dash, a-pillars, and doors. Budget is around 800 or so, but im a flexable. Also power would be comming from 100.2 and 100.4's.

Corey

[///M5 2,833]

How much custom work are you willing to do? I imagine a lot since fitting 6 mids in each door isn't trivial.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

///M5 - Yea i planned on glassing my door pannels, so the custom work inst going to bother me.

[sundownz 197]

Sence i cant get the quote reply to work on this forum for some reason

Jacob - Thats a good idea, like i said not realy sure what to do. Just got talking w/ rich last night and thats what we came up with. Also i would prefer to run power master d3100's but i can get a slight discount on the hc2400's localy so i probally will go w/ them just due to the price. I would love to run pm bats and alts. What would you suggest for a crazy loud (but clean sounding) mids and highs set-up? What ever amps (100.2 or 100.4's)

Corey

Corey,

Lets try a four way setup, shall we?

Why not a 12" SD-1 per door for midbass? They throw down IB with the moderately high Qts and low Fs... cross them over at 60 Hz and they will have ridiculous amounts of output. We would run these up to 100 Hz. Two per door if you can fit them... even two of the 10s if that is more practical... seriously! There is no beating a LARGE midbass driver for realism.

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PHL for midrange... try their 8" model from 100 - 2500 Hz. These are some of the best high efficiency lower-midrange drivers available:

http://estore.websitepros.com/1736754/Detail.bok?no=50

You won't need more than one per side... due to the efficiency the rest of the system will be playing keep up.

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Then... how about a pair of Dayton 2" Aluminum dome midranges per side from 2500 - 5000 Hz. These have been compared to the best of the best midrange drivers on the market:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cf...tnumber=285-020

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And... the DLS Iridium tweeter is my favorite of all time... keep that, please You may need a pair per side to "keep up" with the other components.

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Don't buy any batteries or alternators yet... wait until I make some calls.

[///M5 2,833]

Yeah baby. Now we are talking.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Sence i cant get the quote reply to work on this forum for some reason

Jacob - Thats a good idea, like i said not realy sure what to do. Just got talking w/ rich last night and thats what we came up with. Also i would prefer to run power master d3100's but i can get a slight discount on the hc2400's localy so i probally will go w/ them just due to the price. I would love to run pm bats and alts. What would you suggest for a crazy loud (but clean sounding) mids and highs set-up? What ever amps (100.2 or 100.4's)

Corey

Corey,

Lets try a four way setup, shall we?

Why not a 12" SD-1 per door for midbass? They throw down IB with the moderately high Qts and low Fs... cross them over at 60 Hz and they will have ridiculous amounts of output. We would run these up to 100 Hz. Two per door if you can fit them... even two of the 10s if that is more practical... seriously! There is no beating a LARGE midbass driver for realism.

---

PHL for midrange... try their 8" model from 100 - 2500 Hz. These are some of the best high efficiency lower-midrange drivers available:

http://estore.websitepros.com/1736754/Detail.bok?no=50

You won't need more than one per side... due to the efficiency the rest of the system will be playing keep up.

---

Then... how about a pair of Dayton 2" Aluminum dome midranges per side from 2500 - 5000 Hz. These have been compared to the best of the best midrange drivers on the market:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cf...tnumber=285-020

---

And... the DLS Iridium tweeter is my favorite of all time... keep that, please You may need a pair per side to "keep up" with the other components.

---

Don't buy any batteries or alternators yet... wait until I make some calls.

I like it Guess im going to have to order me some SD-1's b4 stock runs out. Going to have to messure it out and see what size i can fit.

Thanks for the help, and looks like im going to be swapping kinetik's out for pm.

Corey

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Sence i cant get the quote reply to work on this forum for some reason

Jacob - Thats a good idea, like i said not realy sure what to do. Just got talking w/ rich last night and thats what we came up with. Also i would prefer to run power master d3100's but i can get a slight discount on the hc2400's localy so i probally will go w/ them just due to the price. I would love to run pm bats and alts. What would you suggest for a crazy loud (but clean sounding) mids and highs set-up? What ever amps (100.2 or 100.4's)

Corey

Corey,

Lets try a four way setup, shall we?

Why not a 12" SD-1 per door for midbass? They throw down IB with the moderately high Qts and low Fs... cross them over at 60 Hz and they will have ridiculous amounts of output. We would run these up to 100 Hz. Two per door if you can fit them... even two of the 10s if that is more practical... seriously! There is no beating a LARGE midbass driver for realism.

---

PHL for midrange... try their 8" model from 100 - 2500 Hz. These are some of the best high efficiency lower-midrange drivers available:

http://estore.websitepros.com/1736754/Detail.bok?no=50

You won't need more than one per side... due to the efficiency the rest of the system will be playing keep up.

---

Then... how about a pair of Dayton 2" Aluminum dome midranges per side from 2500 - 5000 Hz. These have been compared to the best of the best midrange drivers on the market:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cf...tnumber=285-020

---

And... the DLS Iridium tweeter is my favorite of all time... keep that, please You may need a pair per side to "keep up" with the other components.

---

Don't buy any batteries or alternators yet... wait until I make some calls.

Jacob - After doing a little messure of some door pannels i dont think i can fit a pair of 12's along w/ the all the other drivers. I could easly fit one 12 or two 10's. Witch do you think would work out better?

Thanks

Corey

[sundownz 197]

Jacob - After doing a little messure of some door pannels i dont think i can fit a pair of 12's along w/ the all the other drivers. I could easly fit one 12 or two 10's. Witch do you think would work out better?

Thanks

Corey

I would do the pair of 10s... the 10s have an F3 of 60Hz IB, and that is as low as you will run them You'll have higher efficiency and more output potential, as well as a 4 ohm load per side for midbass.

[bighitter 0]

Jacob - After doing a little messure of some door pannels i dont think i can fit a pair of 12's along w/ the all the other drivers. I could easly fit one 12 or two 10's. Witch do you think would work out better?

Thanks

Corey

I would do the pair of 10s... the 10s have an F3 of 60Hz IB, and that is as low as you will run them You'll have higher efficiency and more output potential, as well as a 4 ohm load per side for midbass.

Man I am impressed, you guys really do go all out! Love it.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

revised system as followed

Head Unit : Panasonic CQ-VD7003U w/ Panasonic CA-DC300U Ipod Adapter and 2GB Ipod Nano

Sound Processors : Audio Control Three.1

Subwoofer : Digital Designs 3518's x4

Subwoofer Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAZ-1500D x4 (each pair strapped @ 1)

Subwoofer Enclosure : 28ft^3 @ 35hz Wall

Midbass 60-100hz : Sundown Audio SD-1 10" x4

Mids 100-2500hz : PHL 2002

Mids 2500-5000hz : Dayton RS52AN-8

Highs 5000hz + : DLS Iridium x4

Mids and Highs Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAX-100.4 x2

Front Battery : Optima Red Top D34/78

Rear Battery : Power Master D3100 x4

Alternator : Power Master 300A x2

Wire and Accessories: Kicker

Guess next step would be ordering my sd-1 10's before they run out of stock. Thanks again Jacob.

Corey

[sundownz 197]

Eeeeeeeexcellent.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Jacob, do you know were i can get the DLS tweeters? IIRC there is a dls dealer on ca.com but i dont remember the sn.

Corey

[jmenace 0]

lookin like a real good plan cant wait to see it being put together u gotta pot lotsof build pics

[sundownz 197]

Jacob, do you know were i can get the DLS tweeters? IIRC there is a dls dealer on ca.com but i dont remember the sn.

Corey

Elemental Designs is a dealer for DLS if it comes down to it.

Or you could try to find them used... DIYMA is a good place to look. I have a pair, but I could never sell them

[mccleery3 166]

Should be a sick build!!...wish I had the skills and the $$$$

[SundownAudioNY 0]

Jacob, do you know were i can get the DLS tweeters? IIRC there is a dls dealer on ca.com but i dont remember the sn.

Corey

Elemental Designs is a dealer for DLS if it comes down to it.

Or you could try to find them used... DIYMA is a good place to look. I have a pair, but I could never sell them

I made a wtb on ca, i should do the same on biyma also. ED dont have them listed in there store but im sure they could get them.

Corey

[JimJ 11]

It's still going to be really hard to get a stable image with dual tweeters and midranges...

Honestly, I'd probably run horns and combine your upper and lower midrange drivers into one set of drivers that could go from 100Hz to the horn's crossover point. At least that way you could have a chance at getting a stable high frequency stage...and you'll distort those DLS tweeters well before you'll drive a HLCD into distortion.

[SundownAudioNY 0]

One slight change

Head Unit : Panasonic CQ-VD7003U w/ Panasonic CA-DC300U Ipod Adapter and 2GB Ipod Nano

Sound Processors : Rockford Fosgate Symmetry EPX2

Subwoofer : Digital Designs 3518's x4

Subwoofer Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAZ-1500D x4 (each pair strapped @ 1)

Subwoofer Enclosure : 28ft^3 @ 35hz Wall

Midbass 60-100hz : Sundown Audio SD-1 10" x4

Mids 100-2500hz : PHL 2002

Mids 2500-5000hz : Dayton RS52AN-8

Highs 5000hz + : DLS Iridium x4

Mids and Highs Amplifier : Sundown Audio SAX-100.4 x2

Front Battery : Optima Red Top D34/78

Rear Battery : Power Master D3100 x4

Alternator : Power Master 300A x2

Wire and Accessories: Kicker