HE SHOWED SOME SCROTE!!!

[Godsmack 361]

Vick admitted to what he did. All be it in a plea for alot less time than he deserves but he admitted to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COCKSUCKING arseho

J

[JimJ 11]

Both him and his brother are just a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

I just hope he never plays again...

[Tirefryr 1,742]

He will play again, and are you really that surprised by all this?

I have no doubt he had a hand in it, but I don't think he was as involved as is being led. I think the other guys just jumped at the chance to get deals, and of course they knew damn well the feds wanted to make an example out of Vick, so why not throw him under the bus. There is no loyalty amongst these people anyways. I wouldn't be surprised if he had very little to do with it, but the others all pinned everything on him. Of course he'd have to plead guilty then just to save his ass.

[Godsmack 361]

Something tells me he had his hand MORE in it than the feds say.

If it really had been less I think he would of told them EXACTLY what his involvement was at trial rather than take a plea and take full responsability for his actions.

Due to the cowardness of the crime i think he saw this as the lesser of the punishments he could get.

J

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Something tells me he had his hand MORE in it than the feds say.

If it really had been less I think he would of told them EXACTLY what his involvement was at trial rather than take a plea and take full responsability for his actions.

Due to the cowardness of the crime i think he saw this as the lesser of the punishments he could get.

J

Yeah, but think about it. you KNOW they want Vick. No matter what, he is the man they want to pin this on. Even if he had very little to do with it, all the others would've turned on him and pointed the finger in his direction no matter what, so IMO, this was his only option. He would have fared far worse with a jury and others corroborating a potentially false story. We'll never know the full truth.

[fuzzyping 0]

Yeah, but think about it. you KNOW they want Vick. No matter what, he is the man they want to pin this on. Even if he had very little to do with it, all the others would've turned on him and pointed the finger in his direction no matter what, so IMO, this was his only option. He would have fared far worse with a jury and others corroborating a potentially false story. We'll never know the full truth.

Just because the Feds wanted him, doesn't necessarily make him any less guilty. Maybe there's a reason they wanted him. Conspiracy theories are sexy, but Occam's Razor usually trumps theory.

[mrray13 30]

i agree with jordan..i think Vick has more to do with this then even his plea states. he's going to provide the bankroll for the gambling but not share the winnings? he's going to bankroll the kennals and not share in any proceeds gotten from the illegal fighting? so, he's jsut throwing his money away? maybe he's writing the kennals off at tax time, but i doubt it.

fact is, if his involvement was less then stated, why plea out?

and he'll play again. guilty or not, one can't deny teh fact he is the most athletic player to play quarterback. he is, and never was, a real quarterback, but with his ability to move, he didn't need to be.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Tirefryr 1,742]

I'll deny it. Have you ever REALLY watched him move? It's pure dumb luck when people miss him. He looks like a clumsy oaf when he runs. IMO, he has absolutely no talent and a hell of a lot of luck. On the field that is. Next time you see footage of him running, pay close attention to his feet and body movement.

[platnum accord 0]

this is just a general post, i put some thought into this and well i still hate vic but i just have to throw some things out there. what vick did is wrong i know but is it any odifferent then any other animal oriented sport? like horse racing, do animals not get hurt and possibly die in this sport? i was looking for kinda for how someoen would justify the differences in cruelty between the two...

[Godsmack 361]

this is just a general post, i put some thought into this and well i still hate vic but i just have to throw some things out there. what vick did is wrong i know but is it any odifferent then any other animal oriented sport? like horse racing, do animals not get hurt and possibly die in this sport? i was looking for kinda for how someoen would justify the differences in cruelty between the two...

Lemme see here....do they have horses fight to the death? Do they use electrocution for training purposes? Are they hung, or drowned when they don't perform? the answer to these is NO pucking WAY

Hose racing, hell even dog racing is much different than fighting. Just like in humans there is a MADD difference between a boxer and lance armstrong.

Diff training methods, payouts, and such.

J

[mrray13 30]

I'll deny it. Have you ever REALLY watched him move? It's pure dumb luck when people miss him. He looks like a clumsy oaf when he runs. IMO, he has absolutely no talent and a hell of a lot of luck. On the field that is. Next time you see footage of him running, pay close attention to his feet and body movement.

lol, i'll do that. you are the absolute first person to ever have that opinion that i'm aware of.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[mrray13 30]

this is just a general post, i put some thought into this and well i still hate vic but i just have to throw some things out there. what vick did is wrong i know but is it any odifferent then any other animal oriented sport? like horse racing, do animals not get hurt and possibly die in this sport? i was looking for kinda for how someoen would justify the differences in cruelty between the two...

Lemme see here....do they have horses fight to the death? Do they use electrocution for training purposes? Are they hung, or drowned when they don't perform? the answer to these is NO pucking WAY

Hose racing, hell even dog racing is much different than fighting. Just like in humans there is a MADD difference between a boxer and lance armstrong.

Diff training methods, payouts, and such.

J

in true pit fighting, the fights aren't to the death. never were. it's always been the back street pits, the basement arena's where dogs had to fight to the death. even in hogging, it's not the goal for the dog to kill the hog, but rather to subdue. same with dog against dog. but to some, that wasn't enough entertainment.

and you bet your ass they use electrocution in horse training. they even use it for training of police dogs. (shock collers with settings up to 50k volts or so). i myself use a 100k taser to help in training. hit a dog one time and from that moment on, the moment they HEAR the thing pop, they stop and listen. and i'll wager that horses that don't perform are indeed being eaten as purina. maybe not drowned or hung, but euthanised nonetheless. however, because it isn't done in such a brutal manner, none notices. and it would be easy to have a vet say the horse had a broken fibia or some shit.

and lance would kill most boxers. very few boxers could hang with lance in his training. and even in boxing, it's the core that matters, ie: legs, lungs and abs. how many boxers are going to match lance in those areas?

while i get your point, you're also a bit underinformed. in truth, dog fighting isn't much different then a pair of boxers going at it, save the boxers are there by choice. if done right, as soon as a dog backs up, doesn't show aggression, or lays down, the fight is over. and in those cases, the dogs don't get anymore hurt then someone going 10 rds with mike tyson. ask evander holyfield, lol. (sorry, just had too)

do i support dog fighting? nope. the dogs i raise wouldn't even be allowed in a pit due to their color. and we breed for minimum aggression, amongst dogs and people. we let their natural protection instinct dictate their protective attitude, no added attention or training is given in that regard.

anyway, Vick is guilty or he wouldn't plea. if he was a real man, he would have told the truth from the jump instead of thinking his posse wouldn't have turned.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Godsmack 361]

this is just a general post, i put some thought into this and well i still hate vic but i just have to throw some things out there. what vick did is wrong i know but is it any odifferent then any other animal oriented sport? like horse racing, do animals not get hurt and possibly die in this sport? i was looking for kinda for how someoen would justify the differences in cruelty between the two...

Lemme see here....do they have horses fight to the death? Do they use electrocution for training purposes? Are they hung, or drowned when they don't perform? the answer to these is NO pucking WAY

Hose racing, hell even dog racing is much different than fighting. Just like in humans there is a MADD difference between a boxer and lance armstrong.

Diff training methods, payouts, and such.

J

in true pit fighting, the fights aren't to the death. never were. it's always been the back street pits, the basement arena's where dogs had to fight to the death. even in hogging, it's not the goal for the dog to kill the hog, but rather to subdue. same with dog against dog. but to some, that wasn't enough entertainment.

and you bet your ass they use electrocution in horse training. they even use it for training of police dogs. (shock collers with settings up to 50k volts or so). i myself use a 100k taser to help in training. hit a dog one time and from that moment on, the moment they HEAR the thing pop, they stop and listen. and i'll wager that horses that don't perform are indeed being eaten as purina. maybe not drowned or hung, but euthanised nonetheless. however, because it isn't done in such a brutal manner, none notices. and it would be easy to have a vet say the horse had a broken fibia or some chit.

and lance would kill most boxers. very few boxers could hang with lance in his training. and even in boxing, it's the core that matters, ie: legs, lungs and abs. how many boxers are going to match lance in those areas?

while i get your point, you're also a bit underinformed. in truth, dog fighting isn't much different then a pair of boxers going at it, save the boxers are there by choice. if done right, as soon as a dog backs up, doesn't show aggression, or lays down, the fight is over. and in those cases, the dogs don't get anymore hurt then someone going 10 rds with mike tyson. ask evander holyfield, lol. (sorry, just had too)

do i support dog fighting? nope. the dogs i raise wouldn't even be allowed in a pit due to their color. and we breed for minimum aggression, amongst dogs and people. we let their natural protection instinct dictate their protective attitude, no added attention or training is given in that regard.

anyway, Vick is guilty or he wouldn't plea. if he was a real man, he would have told the truth from the jump instead of thinking his posse wouldn't have turned.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Take a lightweight or bantomweight and I TRULY think they could hang. Now like Tyson, Holyfield, or someone like that? No prayer.

What I mean about electrocution is MUCH different man. I am talking about deadly electrocution not training level. And yes electrocution is used in much training.

Also I know dog fighting it was originally for submission and not death. But that all changed as attitudes changed..........

I guess all I am saying is horses who don't ALWAYS win = cheaper studding. SOMETIMES WIN OR 2ND= more $$$

Dogs fail=death

pass=stud $$$

J