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Just cruisin' through the Fi website whilst helping another forum member with a topic when I realized that the RMS rating on some of the BL's change as the coils change from D1's to D2's. The 10" shows 1500 RMS for both coils. The 12" shows 1000 RMS for D1 and 1500 RMS for D2 The 15" shows 1000 RMS for D1 and 1500 RMS for D2 The 18" shows 1500 RMS for D1 and 1000 RMS for D1 I am slightly confused by this as I didn't think coil configuration had any impact on thermal or mechanical limits OR how they are reached. And I definitely didn't think that would change as woofer size changes either. Essentially, I would like to know if this is a typo and if it is not, I was hoping someone could provide an explanation as to why this ratings are different! Thank-You for your time!

That's easy, relatively cheap, and won't require any extra work. You won't need to deaden or do any work if you want them loud. You can always install them to the bare door and if it suits your needs then leave it be! I would suggest some used Alpine Type R's, but as I said, it would be beneficial to test some for yourself. For that much power (3000 watts) you will need at least a large extra battery and a high output alternator. If you can't afford them yet and still want a large amplifier, buy the amp and turn the gains down. A 3000 watt amplifier doesn't always make 3000 watts. It will actually very, very rarely make that much power. Turn the gains down until it's a reasonable level for the type of electrical system you have. For reference. I've been running a saz-3000d off of a Iraggi high output alt and a Shuriken BT-120 in my trunk for almost 2 years now with no issues. Buy a voltmeter and monitor the voltage going to your amplifier. To run at 1ohm, you need both BL's to be Dual 1 ohm. You also need an amplifier that is stable down to 1 ohm. Post whatever amp you are thinking of before buying it.

That is quite impressive!!! Waiting to see more!

That is what I assumed! What I really needed to know was whether it was 1000 or 1500, but I figured pointing out the difference would also help with putting up the correct information

In your case, I would get two BL's as opposed to one BTL. With that budget however, it is likely that you won't be able to provide the full RMS to either two BL's or one BTL. But that is okay. They do not need full RMS to be happy or to perform well. Running 3000 watts is going to require significant electrical upgrades which would probably put you over budget. You could buy a large amplifier now and simply run it with the gains tuned down and then upgrade your electrical when you have the funds. It's a tricky game of whether or not its worth the money to run that extra 1500 watts or so. Some think it is. Many think it isn't. Something you will have to decide for yourself. If you do not like the idea of upgrading more in the future and have no intention of pouring more money into this, I would have personally suggested to still run the BL's at only half RMS. But it would be ignorant to ignore Nick's word. Thus, if you don't plan on upgrading your electrical system in the future at all, I would take Nick's suggestion into high consideration and order SSD's instead. But, if it was me, I would plan on upgrading my electrical in the future. So to get a run down: 1) I would order how ever many BL's opted me the most cone area that would actually fit in my vehicle. ( ONE 12" < ONE 15" < TWO 12"s < ONE 18" < THREE 12's < TWO 15's ) Lets say you get two 12''s ~ $700 shipped with the options, maybe less. 2) I would order somewhere near a 3000 watt amplifier. I would look used or refurbished. Db-r is a company that refurbishes Sundown Audio amplifiers and is where I purchased my amplifier. Unfortunately, right now the largest they have is a 1500 watt. Which would still make you more than happy, but it doesn't sound like you entirely like that idea. Which can be justified; you'll always wonder "what if I had more?" I would wait till I found either a SAZ-2000, SAZ-2500, or a SAZ-3000 used. If that wasn't happening soon enough, I would start looking into AudioQue. Lots of people here run their amplifiers with no problems at all. Companies that have a strong reputation for amplifiers: MTX Audio, Rockford Fosgate, Sundown Audio, Crescendo Audio (fairly new, but still has gotten good reviews), Incriminator Audio, US Amps. Some companies that are known to be good value: AudioQue & Audiopipe. I would personally rather run an AudioQue as I have heard more good things about them. But I would also perfer to run any of the earlier listed amps to either of those. That's just personal opinion from the things I've heard. 99% of the time an amplifier failure is the users fault. This really shouldn't cost much more than $500. You could shave off a couple hundred by buying a used AudioQue and if you're really keen on your budget, that might be a good idea. 3) Head Unit. The big three is always a safe bet. Alpine, Kenwood, Pioneer. This one is on you. Try to find a store or a buddy that has a deck or two you can check out. Use them in the store. See how you like them and buy the one that best fits into your budget. ~$200? 4) Wiring. Just get some wire of the correct gauge. There are plenty of threads comparing wiring on here. Welding Cable for power and ground wire. Monoprice.com for RCA's. ~80? maybe $100 5) Speakers. That's a whole other jar of worms. This is so much of personal preference and how much effort you are willing to put into the install. Mostly the second half of that sentence. For example, for my front doors I have some speakers that are in the middle of the price range I would say. I spent the time to seal my doors and deaden them. Took extra cash and a lot, a lot of extra time. But I didn't do anything to the back doors because i have $25 used Rockford Fosgate Type R components in them. It wouldn't make since for me to stick $200 speakers back there if I'm not going to spend the time to do the bare minimum (deaden and seal) to make the doors acoustically well. 6) Extra battery. If you have the money now, do it. If not, watch your voltage and adjust the gain on the amplifier accordingly. 7) Miscellaneous. Includes anything else. The wood to build the box for example. If you have the tools, or access to the tools, to build a box you can save money by doing it yourself. It's not as hard as it seems. So without Speakers and a Battery that puts you at $1500. Those are rough price estimates but let you know what ballpark you are in. I know the post is long, but if you aren't willing to read through it all then you probably aren't ready to do this type of install. If I were in your shoes, and that was my goal, I would approach in the way stated above.

The shot with over the lake looking at the skyline is also very, very nice. I admire your shots!

Okay. Let's do this the right way. What's your budget? For everyything. Do you already have anything you can use in your next build? (head unit, wiring, batteries, High Output alternater, ect.) If you are going to be running either a single BTL or two BL's and want more power than the amplifier you have, I suggest selling it and getting a more appropriate amplifier. What are your goals for the system as well? A daily get-real-loud system?

And i keep them because I'm never in a tight bind to need $100 bucks or so and I would rather have them. But i really like having things. I have to be careful, otherwise I kind of horde

I have a few, but mostly because I got them for a good deal with reference to watt/dollar. I'm not old enough to remember when they were coming out.

Not necessarily. The BTL would do just fine on 900 watts. I meant that if you wanted to get the full RMS, doing it in the way you described would be a poor choice.

Strapping two different amplifiers is a messy situation. I know nothing about those amps, but are they strappable? and if you aren't talking about strapping amplifiers, Running each voice coil off of it's own amplifier is also a messy situation and should be avoided if you don't have vast experience. Running each voice coil off of two different amplifiers (Your planet audio and some other amp) is a bad idea and shouldn't be done at all. My advice: If your planet audio amp is strappable, then get another one of them. If not, sell it and buy a more appropriate amplifier. Actually, my advice is to get rid of the amp you have and avoid the situation of two amplifiers on one sub! Directly from the Fi website:

Had a good night at the lanes tonight! Bowled above a 200 for the first time in a few months

My roommate just bought a toy remote helicopter. Just a little guy for $20. It is insanely entertaining though

Cool idea on the panoramic. Shitty about the downsize though

Just read a post where the period placement was like this .It bugged me quite a lot .And was wondering if it bugged anyone else ,or if I am alone and weird .Didn't want to post in the original topic ;it was a pretty serious one .It really does drive me crazy .

I don't think you have enough baffles

The picture of the building with the red bow and the last one (under the bridge) are my favorite from that set.

Also, there is a guy on Ebay who sells the Radio Crystals for the oldie radios. He's annoying. He must be selling almost 200 of those damn things and I can't filter them out of my search

Just starting to venture into the hobby of Amateur Radio and general Air Wave scanning. By god does it make me seem like a loser though.

What head unit do you have? What are all the settings on that head unit? All of them.

Worth making a call to Chris (guy who runs db-r). You never know, he might just have it written down.

Glad to hear it

Agreed