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i have a audiosystem helon 9000.1 amplifier and 5pcs stinger spv70.. what would be louder between smd18s 2pcs vs 4pcs 15"btl ufo.. not going for spl.. but for musicality only.. just for playing loud or just streetbass.. both system will be powered by the audiosystem helon9000.1.. any opinion?

one of my helper with the helon 9000.1

sure sir.. wont let you down on the build.. hehehe.. il post pics of all our work.. ^^ these items will be installed in the shop's car to be a demo car for everyone..^^ inshort its gona be a show off car.. but yes defently.. ^^ will do post of the build..^^ and some vids.. give me 2 weeks..

the build is gona take a while but we are going to start tomrow to be installed in an astrovan.. will update you guys..

i ended up buying the smd 18s.. hehehe will be powerd by audiosystem helon 9000.1

yes its a german amplifier.. here in my place.. the btl is 25k cheaper than the smd18.. uhm... ok let me change my question.. because whatever i do choose will defently be loud.. my main concern here is what will be more musical? im not sure if an18" sub can give that beat beat kind of bass.. so i would need a strong midbass which is very expensive here.. but would be great on low bass.. and can defently produce that heavy background kind of bass.. this way it will be more musical.. but without that expensive midbass spectral balance with the 18" sounds really bad.. in terms of musicality its thickness will not be there.. while using 15s it could defently give that beat beat kind of bass that hard punchy midbass like bass.. but that heavy background giant like sound that the 18s can produce would not be there again there would still be a missing element in terms of spectral balance.. i havent really seen or hear the smd in action.. that is why im not very familiar with it hence the question would be better and what would be more musical.. well if on the safe side.. and i end up getting one of them.. and still not get the sound that i want.. then i just might build a sealed box for whatever sub i get for it to have a flat response on all frequency.. then again.. i fear that smd i just built for spl and will be perfect for DBdrags.. but will not be good on musicality.. the btl 18s i have installed in one of my customers.. is defently missing that beat beat having slow bass effect due to its size.. and one more thing.. is AAchaos and Fi SSD considerd equal?

hmmm true.. but the sound of an 18" subwoofer is different from a 15s.. 18'subwoofer produces that heavy bass or really really big sound.. while as 15s will produce a more harder bass.. having of 2 18s is much easier to drive and to control.. unlike 4pcs of 15s.. correct me if im wrong.. im thinking of using 2 18" smds considering space.. easy to drive.. heavy bass kind of sound.. but im still not sure.. is smd subwoofer stronger than a btl?

im planning to build 4 15" RE SRX on a toyota 1983 corolla DX.. the car is very small, and for me to fit them is to build a wall.. the car was used for racing and is in pretty bad shape.. so what i did to make fit the 4 15" was to make a new flat form for the boxes to stand on.. a new rear wall to have a flat surface.. now im building the box for the 4 15s.. the problem is. the car its self is pretty small.. and for me to build an independent box for the each 15 and go ported i need a bigger space but it seems i can only get 1.8 cubic ft. for each 15s. so i plan to go sealed on the 15s 2 subs in one common chamber.. what would cause these subwoofers to have cancellation? should i just go flat surface with all four subs facing front. or build a common chamber sealed box in a vshape box for 2.. the upper sub facing angled down, and the lower sub facing angled up equally.. some goes for the other 2 subwoofers.. or would this design cause cancellation?

whats a good tuning for a subwoofer box using 8" for sq purpose and would bring out the best musicality beats for new wave songs? swing out sisters, bizzare love triangle original track, gona get your love, godfinger, reasons, etc etc i was thinking of using a sealed box, but the 8" on a sealed box would just produce hard beats.. i was thinking of 38hz on a 1.0 cubic feet? any suggestion? im kind new to SQ system, and im having a hard time deciding on how should i tune the box or go with a sealed.. i would want the output to produce hard beats when needed at the same time could produce long bass when needed.. :puzzled:

hi my name is marion lucero, shop owner of tubbybox audio in PH. car audio is my religion. iv been doing car audio for 7years and running. i joind SSA forum to expand more knowledge and meet new people.. i currently carry these products in my shop. audiosystem sundown FI ascendant audio RE Ciare beyma cadence mosconi stinger mechman powermaster my deadening brand of choice STP and my shop specializes on box construction trunk wall bed and trunk layouts tubbybox audio is loud and clear oriented to SPL.^^ really looking forward in learning more from you guys here in SSA.. these are some of the equipment i use and some projects i did. one of my projects a year ago(mommy ride) PH TIS TROOPER equipment thankyou..^^ btw, if aaron of SSA is reading this, sorry i was out for along time, i just brought in "audiosystem" really looking forward on having SSA subwoofers in my product line real soon!! thanks SSA.

here in the philippines, there is a 10" challenge for car audio shops.. who ever can make the RE MT10 hit 150+ DB gets another free MT10.. restrictions are: single MT10" on trunk 1amp 1extra battery me and other shop owners tried it.. amp used: AAMP monster 5kw box: tuned @ 45hz wires: guage 0 stinger wires extra bat: stinger SPV70 first the MT10 on the term lab it hit 146.2 we tried the same setup on a FI BL fulloption.. on the term lab it hit 148.6 how did this happen?ö?ö?

SPL well if your going all out, too expensive, deadening, materials, batteries, reinforcing the car, destroying the car, alternator, recone, wires.. if your going to build one, just to play on DBdrags, dont use an expensive car hahaha.. we try to use here are old broken down cars.. hehehe.. really broken down.. we dont even need it to run lol.. as long as the engine starts and electrical are ok, then where good to go.. hahaha if results are good.. THEN we make it presentable and paint it a little.. just a little hehehe..

sad to say we are still short on funds to keep experimenting hahaha.. il update you guys soon.. we are still wondering why did the SXX10 or the FI BL got better scores than the MT10

hmm... its pretty expensive experimenting DB.. lol... i dunno man, we kind gave it a rest for a while, short on funds.. im not sure if a 57hz or higher tuning will bring up the score, but it also might do some damage on the MT (not sure).. but i am curious if a higher tuning will do the job..

all equipments are brandnew monster 5kw - $1,800 plus shipping (by order) specs: 6000w @ 1ohm 15v 5000w @ 1ohm 13v 4000w @ 1ohm 12v monster 7kw - $2,600 plus shipping (by order) specs: 8000w @ 1ohm 15v 7000w @ 1ohm 13v 6000w @ 1ohm 12v monster 10kw - $4,000 plus shipping (by order) specs: 12000w @ 1ohm 15v 10000w @ 1ohm 13v 9000w @ 1ohm 12v sound magus x3500 - $900 plus shipping (by order) specs: 1500w @ 4ohms 2500w @ 2ohms 3500w @ 1ohm Cadence 34" subwoofer - $5,300 plus shipping (by order) specs: 10,000w rms RE MT 18" fulloption - $1,250 plus shipping (by order) specs: ??? Audiosystem Helon 12" - $750 plus shipping (by order) specs: 1,200- 1,500W RMS 8,000 peakpower Audiosystem helon 15" - $950plus shipping(by order) specs: 1,500W RMS 10,000 peakpower Audiosystem helon 9000.1 - $3,800 plus shipping (by order) specs: 11,500w @ 1ohm thankyou for viewing..

shop owner.. pics uploaded the helon amp in the pic is used it powers 8pcs AA 15"arsenal by alvin..^^ i so if your going to order one it will be brandnew its just a sample pic..

still shit for you?

stiff bass ouput hahaha its very hard to explain..

im going to use cadence CVL8-500-4 svc 4ohms 500rms 1000peak.. if 38 is too high then how should i tune it? and in what cubic ft? i dont want it to produce very stiff bass..

at Cablguy184 are you sure going a higher tuning will give a better result?? i just saw the 8" vid i posted above they were playing @ 67hz for the 8" and it hit 150db! damn..

i see.. hmm.. well, we wana try out and play more but as of now, were broke hahahaha extra batteries are expensive hahahaha.. i dont wana use the shop's funds to play around hahaha..

if the 10" hitting that results are impressive.. you should see the 8" hit 150DB.. now thats impressive it aint ours but here is the video..

Different cars so things change a lot. Especially since it's a trunk car vs a hatch. What is the peak frequency of both cars ? If the peak frequencies are way different than having both tuned at 45hz is not helping. Is the trunk sealed off ? Meter on the dash, car sealed up ? both cars are sedans. both cars only have trunk deadening.. peak frequency im not sure bro, trunk sealed off? = yes meter on dash= yes car sealed= no we are thinking that the AAMP 5kw we are using is over rated and according to some of my friends, the cleanest power it can produce is atleast 3200 w powering the MT10" its either that, or we just pushing the Fi a bit too hard than the MT. we used stinger spv70 on both setups.. i dont know man, maybe we have to break the MT 10" before we make it hit 150+ or spend more but whats funny is.. we changed the subwoofer.. and used an RE SX10" and it hit 150.4-150.7 i dunno man, maybe we need to use 20 batteries on the MT 10" lol.. hence the MT 10" challenge.

57hz is too high bro i dont think it would crank up the results, it might even bring it down a little or alot, btw which sub are you referring to? the mt? or the BL?

ok we tried it again.. this time, 2 different cars.. toyota vios single 10" in the trunk.. subwoofer MT10" amp: monster 5kw wires: stinger guage0 battery: 6pcs stinger spv70 yellow top box: 2.0 cubicft 45hz mazda323 sub: fi BL10" full option amp: sundown saz4500 batt: 3spv70 yellow top wires: guage0 box: 2.2 cub.ft 45hz mt10=148.9-149.4 fi BL10=150.3-151.0