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Unpinned. Originally was posted due to a huge amount of misinformation explaining how to do it poorly. While its a bad idea, it's even worse if you do it wrong. Seriously need to think about your goals before setting gains. It is related.

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I was listening to them but they never gave me answer besides "that's a bad idea" what makes them better than any other installer? The fact that they think they know everything about car audio there is to know?? I just wanted to know if it would make it louder not don't do it its a bad idea. That actually was answered. What makes "bad idea" better than what the installer said is that they are right and the installer is wrong. And since you just wanted to know if it would make it louder or if it was a bad idea I think your question was answered.Perhaps if you said, here is what I have, here is what space I have and I want to get louder you'd have gotten the help you sought.

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Perhaps you should start by describing your goals then, from what I've read that isn't the conclusion I would have drawn. Not even close.

Get defensive much? Geez. Not my goal at all. There is a HUGE difference in "midbass" to a metal head and someone who listens to vocal music. HUGE. Nearly opposite in fact. After reading all your thread I sort of figured you may be confused at what you think you want in how you describe it or I read it. My goal was to answer your question, plain and simple. Stop reading into things. If I wanted to send you in circles that'd be easy and I wouldn't have typed so much. Glad it finally sunk in although it couldn't have been much before a few days ago. I brought it up here not to make it clear, although it's good to see you finally woke up, but to show you exactly how your assumptions are hurting you in the process you are pursuing and to step back and more clearly describe (even if it's just to yourself) what you really want.

Did I say how much I love the MJ's bronze?

Unless it's good medication

My comment was sarcasm btw

Measuring won't do anything for that. Then the 225 is a terrible choice and the JL isn't all that much better. Don't read a name and believe you know what that means a driver will do. Fatigue not being able to handle power is stupid concern. If you were concerned with output that's another story. Smooth isn't descriptive either...I'll read it as you don't want it to sound like shit. For the vocalists I'd focus on a nearly single speaker install. Point source is your friend. You can help the midbass with a driver and the sparkle with a tweet, but the focus HAS to be on the mid. Metal of course you'll have different goals and rap also. Start deciding where you want to compromise as you are going to have to. The female vocalists will be the easiest setup to stage, rap who cares as the stage is absurd and metal you are going to run into a dynamics problem if you focus on staging. Why are you fed up with it? What about it is frustrating? Not solving that with the JL. Also I'm not sure what YOU mean by midbass. Some examples will help. Of course the easiest way to get midbass is with your subs, but it pulls the stage. Imagine that another compromise in car audio. Hope you have a good $50,000 to try and get it to sound that good. Or in other words, good fucking luck it ain't gonna happen, not even fucking close. Seriously like shit in comparison. That and your comprehension has been exposed. I guess this explains why you keep thinking the Xcon is a Q. Pretty much no clue at all. Perhaps you should slow down a bit and try to understand something before buying or typing. It would help. If you can't state your goals and needs well you won't find a solution for them. Just not possible. When your goals are based on a pretext it's even worse. Share reality, think about it, plan it and then and not before then execute.

Hmm. Schedule 40 PVC ID - 7.981", OD 8.625" Bolt circle on mids - 7.75" OD 8.24" cutout 7" Schedule 80 PVC ID- 7.625", OD 8.625" Bolt circle on mids- 7.75" OD 8.24" cutout 7" Angled screws and predrilling enough to get me by?

Piano first for the basics, then whatever is preferred.

And now somehow it'll be my fault he's embarrassed. Obviously only something you can do to yourself...

Take 3 steps back. Why are you measuring? What are you trying to accomplish? The wrong goals lead to the wrong techniques which lead to the wrong conclusions (you've been there already). Perhaps my initial comment of "the RTA is screwing you up more than helping" could be expounded to say I flat out see no benefit in you measuring anything. Of course, I am assuming your goals although they are pretty transparent IMO. That being said, state them and maybe I made a poor assumption.

Pragmatically, and from experience working in the field, you have ADD or ADHD. YMMV. Work in a group home or after school programs. If a kid is having trouble focusing a Mountain Dew can go a loooooooong way. Not all can be easily self medicated, but you also have a higher than normal sense ofself You actually buy into that attention disorder bullshit? My son was recent diagnosed with it. The diagnosis is normal, the treatment is either scary, stupid, or beneficial. The last of course being activity based, not medicine. A concentration activity in particular. For that I'd vote music lessons.

Pragmatically, and from experience working in the field, you have ADD or ADHD. YMMV. Work in a group home or after school programs. If a kid is having trouble focusing a Mountain Dew can go a loooooooong way. Not all can be easily self medicated, but you also have a higher than normal sense ofself You actually buy into that attention disorder bullshit? Everyone needs medication.

Huh? http://www.soundsolu...post__p__918052 Read on. His pretext was unbelievable horseshit. When I first read I ran away as if I typed something it would have been more inflammatory. Even a rudimentary understanding of anything electronic should put you in a better spot than that. Seriously dumbfounding.

Start by displaying your 1/3 octaves AS third octaves and not narrow bands. If you can't in that software, I'd stop measuring. Use random excitation and do at least 100 averages. Measure in the near field first. I know you want to know what your ears will hear, but you need to focus on what the enclosure will do. Make sure to use complex averaging as phase is important. Shut everything off but a single driver for measurement. I'd also first shut off ALL processing. I'd recommend some reading on 1/3 octaves as well. Currently you are measuring at ONLY 4 points below your crossover frequency and displaying way more than 4. That makes ZERO sense. Obviously the 5th being up at 500Hz is rolling off based on your crossover and since that is only the center point it's squishing your response. Either way, for this driver a measurement system does you pretty much no good. You have an output problem with a driver that is in a far from optimal enclosure and it's too be expected. Your mids/tweet plans are going to be just as ugly. I'd seriously rethink them.

herpes what?

Understatement, my problem isn't quite the norm of adhd however as I can actually do multiple things at once effectively. If I don't multitask I go fucking nuts.

Not a lot per se in cups. Usually 2-3 a day.

Some further clarity on the snake oil that is in the world of cabling. If you cannot measure a difference in LCR of the cable you WILL NOT hear a difference either. Our ears flat out seriously suck balls compared to measurement equipment.

The RTA is screwing you up more than helping. I am very dubious on your excitation and how it is lined up with the "1/3" octave analyzer you are using. I used quotes because of course TrueRTA doesn't really do 3rd octaves but synthesizes them from an FFT and depending on how you set that up it can seriously chop your signal. Displaying 1/3 octaves in a chart like that makes no sense either. Nor does using a single average in particular at the headrest. Either way based on your settings and your crossover the response is expected. It's a little confused, but of course since you aren't doing this in the near field where you could truly see your response that is expected. I could go on and on, but it's currently giving you absolutely no information and obviously has you seriously confused. What it shows you has nothing to do with your lack of midbass either. Also can't say I understand why you just hopped up and bought that JL either. Randomly picking enclosure size and drivers isn't going to net even reasonable results.

Well coffee makes me sleepy so what does that say?

Indeed, moving your mouth is not the antithesis of lazy.