///M5

As for FI: Roots style - power now, best for moving the heavy ass beast off the line, CARB approved, hardest on the tranny and least overall power potential. Centrifugal - a little lag, but more potential, a little easier on the tranny but with a boost controller I can have 2 profiles in tune, whiny as fuck. Turbo - all the benefits of the Centrifugal without the extra load on the engine to power the charger. Most overall power potential. More lag although I am pretty sure I can size on with that engine to bring me way up in power without lag that extends too far.

Read above your quote here. It's all about the exhaust. They COULD be CARB legal, but the money and time would make the kits too expensive and would never sell, so it's pointless. Any time you make any part of the exhaust different from OEM, you are in violation. Depends on the exhaust system. An esky goes 2 into one, but it does run 2 cats. So it must feed exhaust thought both cats before the turbo. While not impossible, it is a nightmare. FWIW a Turbo is not optimal for towing. A turbo (particularly intercooled) requires engine RPM and exhaust flow. You can compensate by using a loose converter, but you build heat. This heat buildup is an extremely bad thing when yanking weight behind you. IMO, while I am not a big supercharger fan (sorry, I owned a built to fuck GN), an SC makes more sense in Sean's case. I tow a 2,000lb trailer for 99% of my towing. Stock it has plenty of power for towing it. Figure a turbo does make sense for the economy of it and lack of extra load on the rest of the engine to compensate for spinning the charger. If I were towing I would go SC. No question. A turbo is my preference, but in all honesty I think you would be happier with an SC, just based on what I have read about your driving preference and requirements. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I don't care about towing performance. If it is worse than stock that is ok. Actually more worried about the brakes in that regard. Here is what I figure: Stock 378ci = 403hp/417ft lb Mine* 427ci with bigger valves, lower compression, and a turbo cam. Without the FI, the power difference shouldn't be a big deal and I bet it will be fine towing stock. *what I am contemplating atm Also has the stock 6L80 which I would suspect won't like 800hp if it is NOW. A little lag would extend it's life, wouldn't it? Towing and boost from idle I'd imagine to be extra hard on it. What I've gathered is that the clutch packs fail first usually with FI and a poor tune. I could be absolutely stupid and backwards though...

Sorry you wasted your time "tuning" with a useless piece of hardware that is terrible for gain setting. Perfect opportunity for you to enlighten us on what about their parameters make them suited for a 4th and how this could apply in you car. Ought to be easy for you since you keep citing they are so good in 4th order BP's. And please stop calling any ported enclosure a 4th order, just makes you sound uneducated.

No, because he doesn't want to make sense.

Ryan

Hanging a turbo way away from the heat source in a salt bath in MN doesn't seem like a good idea to me though

Read above your quote here. It's all about the exhaust. They COULD be CARB legal, but the money and time would make the kits too expensive and would never sell, so it's pointless. Any time you make any part of the exhaust different from OEM, you are in violation. Depends on the exhaust system. An esky goes 2 into one, but it does run 2 cats. So it must feed exhaust thought both cats before the turbo. While not impossible, it is a nightmare. FWIW a Turbo is not optimal for towing. A turbo (particularly intercooled) requires engine RPM and exhaust flow. You can compensate by using a loose converter, but you build heat. This heat buildup is an extremely bad thing when yanking weight behind you. IMO, while I am not a big supercharger fan (sorry, I owned a built to fuck GN), an SC makes more sense in Sean's case. I tow a 2,000lb trailer for 99% of my towing. Stock it has plenty of power for towing it. Figure a turbo does make sense for the economy of it and lack of extra load on the rest of the engine to compensate for spinning the charger.

But but but I want a wastegate and a little alumineeeUm peaking through the front grill

Maggie's are CARB legal

Horse/cow barn mats are heavy and cheap. Uses they might smell

Ok, how about not illegal

Can't believe I am buying that ugly turd

Curious to see what sounds where I will need to block on the lac

MASS

Lead sheeting is a step better, but usually more $$ and harder to find. Sometimes it is the other way around. You nailed it though, mass is your friend. No such thing as a lightweight barrier.

Quentin, here is how "hard" it is. http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/forced-induction-159/trick-turbo-kit-install-steps-pics-521152/

Served me well on the SHO, but I know better now than to put it on another daily driver. That thing was so nasty with boost I removed the charger every winter and reinstalled in the spring.

I actually have a centrifugal in the basement as well. Stupid powerdyne though so it isn't worth plumbing in.

Be aware they are noisy beasts. Constantly noisy beasts.Not really what I want....just cheap and easy.Same it's pretty straight forward. But personally I'd rather have a turbo. But the turbo kits for my car are 1k more expensive.If Turbo's were legal modifications I wouldn't hesitate at all. I just might use this as my toy hauler for years to come so I don't want to be undoing what I've done.

Then I get a car. Only question becomes will it be a fun car like a Rossion or a Panamera/similar.

And financing and such is done. Truck comes home tomorrow. Basically mine free for driving it for 3 years. End of lease I keep it.

Be aware they are noisy beasts. Constantly noisy beasts.Not really what I want....just cheap and easy.

I have done it before. I will be getting a dyno tune after. UWhat does it cost for a supercharger on your SUV? For the mustang they're like 5500Same, but I'd want the D1 for another $500

I have done it before. I will be getting a dyno tune after. U

I might pick it up tomorrow...so NO. Worst case Monday.