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Of course I bought my 17-55 for what $500? Complete with filter

I'd negotiate.

CHeap & Wide http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/ele/4398434869.html Only f4 but for wide that won't kill you.

I of course spent WEEKS thinking about the two. Wanted the L bad, but the more I read and played with the more I realized that was THE reason I wanted it.

The love for the 24-70 is leftover from FF where the 17-55 is about the same reach on a crop.

SInce you bought the spendy 50 it seems strange too to have your primary zoom lens be pretty much the same thing. Having it smack in the middle is a couple steps either way.

I actually thought tests showed the 17-55 to outperform the 24-70 in PQ and all things on a crop as well. Smoked the 24-105

There is a reason many pro's use primes.

Stop focusing on people, they are easy. Do realize for them the difference between the 24 and 17 is 2 steps. For taking shots of stuff though a 17 makes it possible where you miss the shot with the 24.

Better now while you can still return it. It won't help your confidence in your choice if you google APS or crop and the 24-70 17-55...

This is true. My kit lens is 17 if I need to go super wide, So the last few things I shot I only used the 70-200 I did pop on the 17-135 for some wide family portraits, but I RARELY felt like I was too long. Did you see those shots of the baby I sent you? Those were with my kit lens, I'm not convinced that I will much more for posed shots or decently lit shots. I got the super fast prime for.... Because I wanted it.... And really low light. Also the 24-70 is perfect for waist up so far. Go take some architecture and nature shots. That'll make you hate the 24. I have a 28-300 and it blows donkey dick for travel. (outside of the pq) as it never gets wide enough. I realize 28 isn't as wide as 24, but if it weren't for the distortion I could do a lot with just the 11-16mm that I have. You aren't going to Italy to take shots of people only... Do you use lightroom? Have you looked at your average/normal zoom of your pictures? I find it very strange we are at such extremes. My 17-55 NEVER goes to 55...

Obviously people shots are the ones that are hard to run up on, but having a 2' long white lens is almost running up on

Long you can make up for with your feet, short and wide there is nothing you can do.

Pack is for Rome. Do you recommend the black rapid strap then? I haven't purche one yet. I need something to cary my gear through the airport and all over Europe man. 2.8 70-200, 1.2 50mm, 2.8 24-70mm, 2x extender and a full size flash. Batteries and incedentals. Need to have access to be good enough for a wedding to hold shit, and not scream steal me. I'd prefer access that only can happen when it is off my back. I would only consider bags like this for touring. WAY easy for someone to open and take something otherwise. If you need access to your camera for a shoot the bag comes off and the camera goes on a strap. There is NO bag that works for easy access. The closest thing to an easy access bag is the Crumpler. I use the 4 at home, but you could get the 7 and carry all your stuff. In reality you don't need access to the 2x, flash, or 50mm while touring around. Just the long and walk around lens. If you see something you must shoot you can then either walk closer or dig in your bag. Have you played with the 24 much? I seriously think you should swap it for the 17-55. Just as tight of a lens from a PQ perspective and WAY wider. If you were full frame then I'd keep the 24-70 though, but you are going to miss many shots in Europe without it being wider.

wtf, that sucks

Do you have a black rapid strap? If not, that is by far my favorite bag. I have a lowe 20 backpack or something of the like I use to carry it when I am not shooting, but no bag is worth a shit when you are. I use a pistol grip normally and it stays on with the black rapid. You do need a special tripod to use one though so if you are contemplating a pod then beware.

Yeah baby

Similar fidelity in recording

You are overestimating your space a bit. The 4cuft has to also INCLUDE the port. That will chew up a 1/3 of it so there is no way an 18 will fit, not even close. Did you open the sketchup recommended enclosure for the 15 off Sundown's site? I'd start there to see if it fits if that is the driver you are using.

Sean go overkill/extreme in the power department. Even if you rarely extend its full potential, having huge overhead is great. Only if you can make use of it. If you breaking shit or not hooking up, there is no point. Overbuilding for reliability on the bottom end is good. Want it to last. SMoking the tranny may be a reality.

I already have 400hp, it is shit.

Doesn't even have to be dynamic per se. Much more important to have frequency content that is well within the ranges and transition points of the drivers that you are tuning together.

I realize I am already "getting" nearly 12mpg in the Esky. It's GREAT!

Spend it in power and durability. Fuck weight savings. Strong internals and boost homeboy. Ha, not my question. $3k short block or $10k.

Let me phrase that differently. How much $$ do I want to spend and what is the best way to spend it.