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Exactly. There are things now like more than 2 valves per cylinder, overhead camshafts... Even my diesel is DOHC. The LS 4.8 I cited doesn't have 2...but it will still rape any Grand National motor. Not having a completely modern Fuel Injection system is retarded if you are building a car. Obvious exception is old shit with a carb, but once you go injected use a modern piece.The GN used port injection, so the fuel system is virtually the same. He would have to go stand-alone or adapt (which would be simple given tbe Camaro already has the same system basics) the existing system. Basically a pump/injector/regulator swap, and a good tune.Complete drop in LS with harness and ECU are dirt cheap. The dumb thing here is that in a Turbo motor it isn't the motor that makes power but the Turbo. Comes down to what will run the Turbo more efficientliy and this is where the LS will destroy things. Doesn't suck that if you pop a stock motor you can pick one up for $200. Plenty of guys running stock bottom ends near 1000hp with them. Good luck with a GN motor doing that. That alone tells the whole story. Your argument was that the fuel system is archaic when indeed it's not. While we're at it, the Buick 3.8 architecture has changed very little since the 70s, so even the GN engine could be considered modern. Hell, if you want to argue further, there's nothing advanced about the LS design either. Most all it's technology is old and proven and been in use for decades, so. . I really see no valid points here. His stock harness will almost plug right in, so there's half the battle won. GM used both the 3800 and 3400 in them. I personally would use the Vortec 4.3 if doing a six. You also have to remember your definition of cheap is far different than many others on the board. Not everyone wants an LS swap. Hotrodding encompasses all types. With boost, computer controls, and advancements in materials and machining, it's relatively simple and economical to make big power with anything. More interested in the ECU from 98 on than the motor. That was my comment. Sure you can do an aftermarket and I realize not everyone wants an LS, but in a car that will never be worth anything starting off with the cheapest way to make power is logical.

Exactly. There are things now like more than 2 valves per cylinder, overhead camshafts...Even my diesel is DOHC.The LS 4.8 I cited doesn't have 2...but it will still rape any Grand National motor. Not having a completely modern Fuel Injection system is retarded if you are building a car. Obvious exception is old shit with a carb, but once you go injected use a modern piece.The GN used port injection, so the fuel system is virtually the same. He would have to go stand-alone or adapt (which would be simple given tbe Camaro already has the same system basics) the existing system. Basically a pump/injector/regulator swap, and a good tune.Complete drop in LS with harness and ECU are dirt cheap.The dumb thing here is that in a Turbo motor it isn't the motor that makes power but the Turbo. Comes down to what will run the Turbo more efficientliy and this is where the LS will destroy things. Doesn't suck that if you pop a stock motor you can pick one up for $200.Plenty of guys running stock bottom ends near 1000hp with them. Good luck with a GN motor doing that. That alone tells the whole story. It would be alot easier to do a GN swap than a V8 conversion.. Tell that to GM, they seemed to make it rather easy in 1998.

Exactly. There are things now like more than 2 valves per cylinder, overhead camshafts... Even my diesel is DOHC. The LS 4.8 I cited doesn't have 2...but it will still rape any Grand National motor. Not having a completely modern Fuel Injection system is retarded if you are building a car. Obvious exception is old shit with a carb, but once you go injected use a modern piece. The GN used port injection, so the fuel system is virtually the same. He would have to go stand-alone or adapt (which would be simple given tbe Camaro already has the same system basics) the existing system. Basically a pump/injector/regulator swap, and a good tune. Complete drop in LS with harness and ECU are dirt cheap. The dumb thing here is that in a Turbo motor it isn't the motor that makes power but the Turbo. Comes down to what will run the Turbo more efficientliy and this is where the LS will destroy things. Doesn't suck that if you pop a stock motor you can pick one up for $200. Plenty of guys running stock bottom ends near 1000hp with them. Good luck with a GN motor doing that. That alone tells the whole story.

Exactly. There are things now like more than 2 valves per cylinder, overhead camshafts... Even my diesel is DOHC. The LS 4.8 I cited doesn't have 2...but it will still rape any Grand National motor. Not having a completely modern Fuel Injection system is retarded if you are building a car. Obvious exception is old shit with a carb, but once you go injected use a modern piece.

Hell yeah ! Is that huge new cooler in front for the tranny ? The cooler is the radiator for the supercharger. I may have to pull it off later and add another tranny cooler.

Doh What I meant to post

Ha

Umm, no. There is no "sound of bandpass's. If for some odd reason you want to mimic the shortened frequency response that is SUPER easy with even very simple electronics. The other aspect of your statement that is obvious already. If you knew then you'd realize what you were feeling wasn't right. Since you don't that means if you try to design a 6th order bp you'll end up with something that will sound way worse than a standard box. The approach is also strange. Build a normal ported box. It is easy, it works and best of all you can learn instead of just do. Once built, listen to it. Then decide what you want to make better, describe it on here and ask for help. If you go that route you'll know by the time you buy your next sub what is actually best for you instead of going by what someone else likes or worse yet thinks they like.

You do suck

On the job learning ftmfw.

And that is about as original as running an Fi BTL in SPL the year they came out.

Why would I build what every one else does? What is the fun in that?Are you trying to show your stupidity? Let me see, spend way more, have way less and have it be worth less. Sounds like a GREAT IDEA!! You should re-ask your own question to yourself. Is everyone else an idiot or why did they make that choice? What is the fun in being different when it costs me money and has no benefit? Benefit will be originality&bragging rights plus mid-life crisis will help me get a mid 20's slutter-gutter..G-force will make me feel like I got ballz like grapefruits...And I give two shits about the money,,If you want to brag about being an idiot then by all means. Can't say I understand either the bragging or the idiotness.

he needs more than a bud

Was definitely the most wacky car I've ever stood next to

If you want to be different, but a green chrome lamborghini

de de de

Can't, stockers are shot. Winter shoes will be on another set of wheels. Even without the salt, chromed aluminum is not a forever material. That bugs me. You won't own it long enough to matter.Found my motor yet? http://m.ebay.com/itm/151670036082?nav=SEARCHNice but no V8 this time..Maybe next build,Way to throw away cash.Monies isn't everything can't take it with you...But legends you can The only ones that notice will laugh and think you are retarded. The rest won't notice. Being a legend of idiocy isn't how I'd like to leave my name.

Are you planing on building the lower half?we will see if I still have traction, if so then yes as I'll want a smaller pulley. Outside of some ARP shit and some pistons it is all built to make 900hp Then we go cruising for broads and racing dudes on hot import nights. I am just bummed that Summer Nats is moving to Milwaukee this year. Was going to go autocross it, lol.Maybe when I get done with my Camanational we will be able to star in the next fast and the furious..Fast and Furious 17: Mongoloids Gone Wild

Why would I build what every one else does? What is the fun in that?Are you trying to show your stupidity? Let me see, spend way more, have way less and have it be worth less. Sounds like a GREAT IDEA!! You should re-ask your own question to yourself. Is everyone else an idiot or why did they make that choice? What is the fun in being different when it costs me money and has no benefit?

Are you planing on building the lower half?we will see if I still have traction, if so then yes as I'll want a smaller pulley. Outside of some ARP shit and some pistons it is all built to make 900hp Then we go cruising for broads and racing dudes on hot import nights. I am just bummed that Summer Nats is moving to Milwaukee this year. Was going to go autocross it, lol.

Can't, stockers are shot. Winter shoes will be on another set of wheels. Even without the salt, chromed aluminum is not a forever material. That bugs me. You won't own it long enough to matter.Found my motor yet? http://m.ebay.com/itm/151670036082?nav=SEARCHNice but no V8 this time..Maybe next build,Way to throw away cash.

Disagree. At work sits bath in the sink wins. By a bunch. Thanks asshole, I had forgotten about that.

If you want a gnx, build one. If you want a camaro build a camaro

Unless you wake up and listen. You've said some dumb things but this takes the cake

Very sexy!!...But you are fixing to run into trouble bro.less trouble than you