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No a lens is a lens you can't change it. Same focal length on any camera same fstop as well. That being said on a crop sensor that lens will seem to have more reach since the sensor only uses less of the lens diameter. Being a smaller sensor it gathers less light too so you need a faster lens to compensate

Reviewing my shots it seems an 18-35 and the 70-200 would serve me well. 50% of my 17-55 shots are at 17, 30% at 55 and 20% in the middle

Ok. Scratch that. 1490g wtf Sigma. That is the same weight as the 2.8 canon so it buys me nothing. Aargh. I keep the 70d for now i guess

Only to put it on your phone it would need a bigger sensor to be worth a shit I guess you completely understand my reasoning for wanting a mirrorless aps with image stabilization in the body and the 1.8 combos. The only problem is that Sony includes their 5 axis IS on the FF mirrorless, but none on the APS. I don't want FF sized lenses, when APS will do....but I don't want to buy into a format that requires IS in the lens when the lenses I want don't have IS.

Exactly why I was hoping Samsung would stay in the camera market. The tech they make for their phones applied to an APS sensor would be the bomb. Also part of the reason I think long term the winner is going to be Sony or another tech company to eventually own the removeable lens camera market

So if you cell phone has a crop factor of 8 (no idea what it is but I would guess even more) you get to multiply that great under 2 fstop by a HUGE number So yeah, phones are not good at all in low light

Sensor size on the phone is TEENY, gathers shit for light Your Rebel has a 1.6 crop. If you put your 70-200 on it the FL will go to 1.6*(70-200) or 112-320mm and the light gathering goes from 2.8 to 2.8*1.6 or 4.5. Depth of field of the lens is not altered at all, you may perceive it differently though since you have to move to get the same picture in the field of view thus changing your overall dof as it is based not on the lens but its position to the target you are shooting. 1.8 on an APS is equivalent to 2.8 on a FF. If you have a sensor that has the equal noise curve the light capabilities should be within some reasonable minimal uncertainty. I used a lot of assumptions there, but just trying to explain how it works not be uber specific.

The 18-35 looks awesome. If the 50-100 is as good I am intrigued.

On an APS sensor the 12-35 1.8 and 50-100 1.8 with an extender may be enough. The only caveat is I would want a stabilized body then

Hopefully those shopping lists helped you MK. A 24mm 2.8 STM for video and wider shots and a 50mm 1.4 will buy you 90% of what you need. Landscape will require stitching or a wider lens and you'll have nothing long, but you can take great shots.

Sorry Ryan. Realize this is the opposite of what you wanted. ....and how I feel during the gun talk, although I find it interesting as specialty tools of any type I find wicked cool

Of course on a Sony body it would have image stabilization though which is sorely lacking on the Canon/Nikons While I also generally prefer the lens stabilization, there is no reason to not have it in both locations.

Playing with the kit lenses from Canon/Olympus/Fuji yesterday really nailed home the point. They are all basically useless. I didn't try the Nikons but even if they are better it isn't enough to warrant using. AF was slow as dirt, couldn't lock in light that isn't good, and zero bokeh. I would MUCH rather have a camera with a 50mm 1.4 equivalent and nothing else than all the range in the world with lesser glass. Exactly why I am drawn to the 50-100mm 1.8. I don't really "need" the 200 and using a TC to get there and only stepping up to F3.6 will make those shots worse, but if the others are better it would be worth it to me. Of course that lens will fit on my current camera and eventually scale to mirrorless which would mean I would keep the 70d atm.

Yes, but the dilemma is straightforward. If I can do what I need with something smaller and long term not give up anything that is the route I will go. That is not today, but I am willing to adopt a little early to wait for the bodies to catch up. Bodies are disposable, glass not. I realize I can flip lenses as well, but if there is no lens then there is no system.

The 70-200 Canon is sick though. Do you hear the autofocus motor much in video Matt? I couldn't hear it at all in the store.

Either way I am interested in playing with the 50-100 Sigma 1.8.

All prices B&H or Adorama. Only listed lenses that potentially I could own. I did no research on the quality of many of them, just the Fstop and range. Next step in my process is to put together option packages and then research them. If I weren't scared of the Sigma reliability it would be easier.

Obviously you can see I am playing with all variables. The Fuji is the most complete non-Nikon/Canon system in a small body but I think that its future will be limited since it is unique. Considering Sony's propensity to put some much tech into the body, if Sigma and others start to focus on converters for glass it could the right long term solution. Yes, aargh!!!

Mirrorless 4:3 choices Lens Focal Length F stop Price Olympus 12 2 $799 Olympus 25 1.8 $399 Olympus 45 1.8 $399 Olympus 50 1.2 USED Olympus 75 1.8 $899 Olympus 40-150 2.8 $1,499 Panasonic 15 1.7 $597 Panasonic 25 1.7 $247 Panasonic 42.5 1.2 $1,597 Panasonic 35-100 2.8 $1,297 Panasonic 14 2.5 $297 Panasonic 20 1.7 $297 Panasonic 12-35 2.8 $997 Rokinon 12 2 $314 Sony 55 1.8 $998 Voigtlander 17.5 0.95 $899 Voigtlander 25 0.95 $799 Voigtlander 42.5 0.95 $799 Rokinon 50 1.2 $449 Rokinon 85 1.4 $299 Rokinon 135 2 $549

Fuji mirrorless choices Lens Focal Length F stop Price Fuji 16 1.4 $999 Fuji 56 1.2 $999 Fuji 50-140 2.8 $1,599 Panasonic 25 1.7 $247 Rokinon 12 2 $314 Rokinon 50 1.2 $449 Rokinon 85 1.4 $299 Rokinon 135 2 $549

Sony choices on 6300 Lens Focal Length F stop Price Rokinon 12 2 $314 Sigma 50-100 1.8 $1,099 Sony 20 2.8 $348 Sony 28 2 $448 Sony 50 1.4 $448 Sony 50 1.8 $248 Sony 55 1.8 $998 Sony 85 1.4 $1,798 Sony 16-50 2.8 $798 Sony 28-75 2 $898 Sony 70-200 2.8 $2,998 Sigma 30 1.4 $499 Sigma 50 1.4 $949 Sigma 18-35 1.8 $799 Tokina 11-16 2.8 $479 Rokinon 50 1.2 $449 Rokinon 85 1.4 $299 Rokinon 135 2 $549

Nikon choices for APS Lens Focal Length F stop Price Nikkor 24 1.8 $747 Nikkor 35 1.8 $196 Nikkor 50 1.4 $446 Nikkor 85 1.4 $1,596 Nikkor 135 2 $1,391 Nikkor 200 2 $5,695 Nikkor 17-35 2.8 $1,951 Nikkor 70-200 2.8 $1,951 Sigma 50-100 1.8 $1,099 Sigma 30 1.4 $499 Sigma 50 1.4 $949 Sigma 18-35 1.8 $799 Tokina 11-16 2.8 $479 Rokinon 135 2 $549

Canon choices for APS Lens Focal Length F stop Price Canon 24 2.8 $149 Canon 35 1.4 $1,799 Canon 50 1.4 $399 Canon 50 1.2 $1,449 Canon 85 1.2 $1,999 Canon 85 1.8 $419 Canon 135 2 $999 Canon 200 2 $5,699 Canon 17-55 2.8 $879 Canon 70-200 2.8 $2,099 Rokinon 12 2 $314 Sigma 50-100 1.8 $1,099 Sigma 30 1.4 $499 Sigma 50 1.4 $949 Sigma 18-35 1.8 $799 Tokina 11-16 2.8 $479 Rokinon 50 1.2 $449 Rokinon 85 1.4 $299 Rokinon 135 2 $549

Things go away without glass. Choices will lead that way. When I said go away, I mean from a DSLR not the format itself as an APS is perfect in a mirrorless configuration. As for controls. Easy access to aperature, shutter, iso & exposure are what I need. Exposure could be a bit harder actually and I would be ok.

And I didn't know about it before I went there. Had no real fast mirrorless lens options.