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/\ that wouldn't quite be apples to apples either since the other appointments in my car are significantly better, but the price wouldn't be that far off either.

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And I agree that we aren't going to come to any real agreement here, and nor am I taking any offense at our discussions and hopefully you aren't either. My point is that pushrods are antiquated. The cannot hold up to the velocities that new engines require for expanded power curve and effeciencies. Currently pushrod engines valves are capable of reaching 7-8m/s at way most for their peak velocities, overhead cam engines are exceeding 35m/s. This extra velocity allows higher pressurization on the incoming gas, better atomization, better control of the firing, and it goes on. This is key to having effeciency and torque throughout the RPM range instead of really peaky like most pushrod engines. Your engine may "feel" modern now, but my issue is with the flaw of spending money to design something that is already obsolete, it doesn't make any sense. It is true we like a different kind of racing, I don't drag nor do I enjoy driving a drag car around day to day. It seems to half-azzed to me, if I wanna drag a car it won't be street legal. Put me on a track and its a different story, and true this is where having the cams above the heads will make the most difference because the torque curve is flatter and more usable at MANY different RPM's instead of just a few.

/\ try and say that

Dude your idea of expensive is way off, you spent more on your car than I did....

And then there were two.

but only getting 50w

nope, his is pretty nice i like mine better though I haven't seen yours... AA polys and Vifa XT 25's The XT's are so nice too I am just sitting here perusing my list: Options: Mid: Dayton RS Seas CA18RNX Tweet Seas 27tbfcg VifaXT25 Usher 9950 Some combo will be my front stage at some point....I think.

in & out *no squeeze*

two 6 volt, LOL, thanks for the warning now I am just trying to figure out how that make sense.

nope, his is pretty nice i like mine better though I haven't seen yours...

was really hoping that one /\ would have been a top

Bed bars will go. Topper will go on, not for looks or style but out of necessity. Since you reference fsc.com I will probably be mimicing DSZ71's front stage install....unless you guys give me a better or easier idea. It will be a 2 way active + sub.

Looks sweet. Can't wait to hear how you like it when it is no longer the stock speaks. Side question: buddy of mine just got a gti with monsoon and wants an ipod input. Does the monsoon have separate amps or require any sort of rewire? The reason I ask is I doubt he will do more than a h/u, unless it is a VW option. <--weirdo

Probably used the Chevette door bracket, but if so at least brand new ones would be cheap.

sweet bro! we need burnout vids! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I'd love to see those. Since I haven't been here that long, what is the car?

Funny, that is exactly what I told the woman. My whole life I have been a Ford man, but I love the 67-72's and of course I dig the new ride.

There are plenty of cheap ohc engines that aren't German. Heck even Ford had a SOHC V8 in 1966, which again is more than 40 years ago--and outlawed because it made too much power. The peakiness of the torque curve on a pushrod engine may be fine for trucks, but if it is a car and you want to drive it quick having the broadband effeciency that a modern ohc setup can supply is by far superior. Oh, any M5's don't have to be extravagantly expensive, mine sure wasn't.

Sorry but I read your definition of simplistic as antiquated. Fancy OHC isn't so fancy since it has been around for more than 40 years. Pushrods are not a good idea, more moving parts, less capable at higher rpms, and just an older less efficient design. The LSX motors are hardly inneficient. Higher RPM isn't always good. I would rather make my torque down low. Of course not all cars or styles of racing benefit from a torquey low end. But for my day to day necessities having it in the low end is better. Fancy doesn't equal new btw. I also mentioned DOHC not just OHC. DOHC has more moving parts than pushrods and more weight in most case when similiar dsplacements are compared. The key is effeciency, both in power curve and emissions. OHC (or D) are more efficient than any pushrod engine ever could be. The "new" motors have direct actuation on their valves and no cam at all, which is the automotive manufacturers only cost feasible way of creating an engine that is more effecient than the overhead cam design. The only real benefit to an auto maker of pushrods is a cheaper engine to produce, nothing else but for some companies that is more than enough reason to bring something into the marketplace.

Meh is verbalizable.

Welcome, I am excited to see pics of your car. <-----Bm'er nut

Nice, thanks for the pics. Sure is a lot more interesting than when I toured the Harmon motive plant that makes the $0.30 whizzer cones for dodge.

Big difference, I like that blue. There were only two colors I was looking for Black or Blue.

Thanks mang!

See ya Dennis, I have to run to. Just bought the truck an hour ago, and now I am going to go drive around...perhaps go fishing it the predicted rain doesn't come.