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That was on older cars, definitely a difference. Now design is the critical part. So little hand assembled material as long as you avoid that you are fine.

You stink at reading comprehension. I NEVER said JL is junk. Lots of their stuff is great all of it overpriced. Their 6x9's and 3.5's are junk though and yes I'll say that again. Stop trying to read into things what you want and instead try to read to learn for once. It will really help you out in life.

Wrong again. Wow. Zero turn on thump and no thermal noise. As low of a noise floor as my slash amps actually. And yes, I had to find out. Stupid source I originally had with my boat had a whopping .3V max output. Required the gains be maxed. Again super quiet. It also isn't a 20 year old design. Actually quite a bit newer than most amps. Was designed as an open source amp around 8-9 years ago by a rather intelligent gent who wanted to sell his board to lots of people and not just one.

The bigger question I have is in my whole life I do not remember a worse time for racial struggles. This coming on the coat tails of having a black president? I've seriously felt like there has been no equality but it is getting worse

Line location has nothing to do with quality. Nothing is hand assembled...

Most of the new tech that causes reliability concerns is not requested by the public, but required thanks to the socialist agenda of the EU or Obama with his stupid ass Cafe regulations. The end result will not be good for consumers, the manufacturers nor the environment regrettably.

I don't understand. I like the car, but the price is retarded. That should be $15k tops otherwise a different model is in order.

When you cascade to Butterworth filters, yes. And that will net you a Linkwitz Riley. Now, don't take this as that is what the Sundown has. Digital circuits can approximate analog filters, but they can also change all the rules we know about analog filters. ie, you can have a brick wall filter, flat phase response, different slopes and so on. I doubt Sundown bothered with that expense in their amps, but either way it is somewhat irrelevant. More important to you should be what slope, any frequency anomalies, and what has it done to the phase. Of course on a sub in a car even all that is pretty pointless. I could probably answer your question better if I understood it. Not sure why you care what type of crossover it is on the amp (ie Butter or LR).

Your JL boner is disgusting and stupid. Re-read the posts and think instead of getting your undies in a bundle. I've run a few different JL amps. Sold my slash amps on here in fact. Replaced them with a cheap Taiwanese amp with the exact same board as that NVX. It has the same amount of balls, sounds just as good, and was about 1/5 the price and about 1/3 the size. The JL amps sounded great...which states exactly how the NVX amps sound as well. They have also now held up extremely well in a REALLY shitty environment. Have three of them on my boat. All run really hot (not temperature wise, but gain and load wise) in a very small space that is both extremely humid and hot. As for the not sound good, you are exposing your noobness yet again. I guarantee if I setup a blind listening test with both of them you could not pick the better sounding amp. Of course that isn't fair. These days making an amp is rather easy. Just need to make sure that you use quality enough components and a good enough design to avoid thermal noise. NVX does both of those. You spend so much time trying to buy something that sounds good based on historic nonsense instead of optimizing your install. The latter is what makes something sound good, not the equipment. Nothing in car audio is rocket science, hard to design, or to manufacture. Picking something that is made good enough for the task at hand is just fine. Your signature says you own a dodge. If I drew the analogy that BMW is JL then NVX is still way, way, way better than Dodge. Take the blinders off and read for context, not to try to make a point. When you are doing that you just sound like an immature teenager that really needs to start to think for themselves. You are better than that.

New cars reliable? Rofl. But yes....less is more as otherwise the other onesalways need mechanical love.

We still have my wives X3, but i just hate feeling like i need the warranty. Doesn't bode well for the future of cars if they have to be recycled early because of parts cost.

In the analog world a Linkwitz Riley is made from 2 Butterworth filters. Cascade two -3db 12dB slopes and bam!

Heard from J's fam?

Yours is still in the era of not all fucked up with ridiculous extra complicated nonsense

While the quality tests are indeed higher for the German market units, the failure I don't blame on assembly but design. Too many computer, too much technology, too many things to go wrong. It is a disease that all new cars are facing, but the price to repair them on the German cars is not worth suffering through. Sucks as I am a BMW guy, but after my AMG experience I am done. The world is really going to cry though as I see Toyota's suffering similar fate now. Personally I'd buy American if reliability were my interest. Regrettably outside of GM no one is making 4 door performance vehicles here worth a shit. And no, Chrysler is not American nor worth buying.

Not exactly an exciting route across the US...

Almost makes me think battery power isnt that illogical

Direct injection is boo atm.

Makes me sad to see the German's that rough around the edges

For his needs the gap to give up is the area ABOVE the voices. That would fit his music listening desires the most. Either way even with a driver that did do that the super tweeter is harsh and can't mate well anyways. Has WAY more sensitivity than needed anyways since the rest of the front stage will still be much lower in level.

The fundamental frequency of the male voice is below 180Hz. He listens to rap. Sure there is still a ton of harmonic information even above 2kHz, I wouldn't want my music to sound loud but like it is playing over a telephone. FYI, phones normally filter things from about 300-3600Hz.

Randal, you do realize that below 250Hz or so they are completely unable to do anything without a ported enclosure, right? IMO, that is not capable of blending with ANY sub setup that makes sense in a car.

Brandon, help is much easier when it is asked at a time that help can be given. Perhaps an analogy would be helpful. Being you are from Michigan I will assume you are somewhat of a car guy. Here is the question I heard asked. Let's say you own a 1970 Chevelle with a 327 V8. You go to the track and someone gives you a ride in their 1970 Chevelle with a 454. The 454 Chevelle rips and gets you super excited. Instead of asking how to make your Chevelle fast, you ask the guy what he is running for an intake and carburetor. The guy with the 454 car tells you he is running a Holley Strip Dominator intake manifold and a 950cfm dominator carb. You run off and buy the same intake. Your next step is to install it and tune it so you go on a car forum and ask. Of course the response on the car forum is, wtf?? You bought a big block intake and carb for your small block. This won't work so they don't respond nicely. You take it personally and react they aren't helping. This is exactly the situation we have here. The FT1 is a terrible tweeter, the UN's are ridiculously short changed in their frequency response and don't at lend well to a standard car installation. Making them work together and sound good is not possible. You can verify this a bit by yourself. The Fs of the FT1 is 2800Hz (hard to read their complete lack of specs which in the first place is a no go for buying anything by the way). Normally this would mean for a safe and easy crossover you would cross it over at 2.5x Fs or 7000Hz. Take your phone, download Funcgen and then play a 7000Hz, 10000Hz and 14000Hz note. Realize that this is what that tweeter will play "musically" and how small of a range of music it is. Then play notes at 1200Hz (where my tweeters are crossed at) and realize how much of the frequency range you are short suiting yourself with. I know my "help" hurts since you already spent money, but it is cheaper to fix now than later.

Herman millet, human solution, etc