thank you sir! if any one is game for a good laugh at ol' chop...... i got just the stuff...... yup , my middle name just might be 'epic fail' .....lol seems like i always have a ton of keys...soooooo since i do not drive the cutlass alot just yet....i keep those keys put away.... yeah...you see where this is going..... i cannot find them anywhere!!!! going to have to have them re-cut......i know, just as sure as the nose on my face.....the minute the locksmith drives away.....i will find the dang things laying somewhere really simple. this is the first lifted car we have had..... knowing that the winter adds undue stress to the rims sitting outside.... iwas going to remove them and put my factorys on for the winter..... so,, imagine me standing there with no keys..... okay, i have a spare jack and remote.... cant access the trunk but i can proceed.... so i thought, lol.......with just a little thought and observation......i see that the typicall car jack fully extends itself before raising my car!! wow, really, lol......so much for playing with the cutlass this week..... oh well.... starter is out on the truck ,,,,, i might try that project on for size..... happy holidays to all chop