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I second this recommendation.

It absolutely can and will. Trunks don't generally allow for great air transfer into the cabin, basically sealed. When you generate that kind of pressure in a trunk it's going to press on every surface and the weakest surface will flex more than the stronger ones. The cones and suspension on the 6x9's are considerably weaker than the steel of the trunk walls and anything else that happens to make up the construction of the trunk.

VERY nice review.

Thanks brother. Still need to get with you sometime on the front stage in your Olds.

I'll bet the Audison outperforms the Audiopipe in every way anyway. Don't even see it as a comparison. You went the right route in my opinion anyway.

My thoughts exactly.

Why couldn't he just use a 3.5mm to RCA into a miniDSP? He would at that point have processing, crossovers, EQ's, the works all in a very powerful and tiny little unit. Granted I'm still learning about the wonderful little device but I fail to see how that wouldn't be useful.

Interesting. Glad they got it figured out for future reference but definitely glad they got you taken care of. So, since you've had it back for a couple of days, how does it sound now?

Yes it's accurate, but also uber basic. A calculator like that doesn't account for port or driver displacement which means the tuning will be off if you simply plug in the numbers and go. You can figure for those if you know what they will be and yes they're not hard to calculate for but it also leaves room for a bigger possibility for mistakes. The RE calculator tries to account for all those things but misses the mark on several issues and can be just a little off or way off depending on several factors. So far I've found that the Torres calculator will account for driver displacement and port displacement accurately, adjust for changes you make on the fly, and is all around simpler and easier than doing it all by hand. Just my .02

There's a VERY easy way to set the SSF. Start by turning it all the way down and putting in a CD with test tones on it, no music. Start with something like 40hz and turn the volume up enough to get the sub moving. Now switch the tracks down one hertz at a time. As you near tuning you should see the sub moving less and less (while getting a little louder each time) then once you see the sub start moving a little more again you're a hertz or two below tuning. At this point go back and forth on the tracks and figure out which frequency the sub moves the LEAST and that is the tuning frequency of your enclosure. Now put on a track that is 3 to 5 hertz lower than your tuning frequency and turn it up enough to really get the sub moving good but without damaging it obviously. At this point you adjust the SSF up until you see the movement of the sub go down to at least half the amount it was when you started and your SSF is set with no guessing whether it's right or not. This is the exact same procedure that Nick (from Fi) has explained to many other people. It works and works very well.

Not sure which ones you found but the only one I've used that I would trust thus far is the Torres one. I have verified it's numbers by hand on quite a few occasions and it's always been very close. The RE Audio site calculator just sucks, as does most of the other online ones.

Okay, finally took the time to get the PR's turned around and properly installed. It looks WAY better this way, lol, as you can see by the pictures. Now it's time to get that Focal Solid 2 installed so I can start playing with things in the front actively. It looks as though I'm going to have to just go ahead and make it part of the rest of the amp rack. I still have LOTS of the stand offs I used to lift the 125.2 over the 1500 so I'm going to just do the same with the Focal. The difference being, due to it's miniscule size, is that I'm going to have to make a small frame for it to mount to that will then mount to the stand offs lifting and holding it above the 125.2. Then I'm just going to run the power down and connect it to the XP950 so all I have to run is the RCA's and speaker wires up to the front. Anyway, onto the pics of the enclosure, sub and PR's finally completely finished.

If I wasn't so damn busy at work and already behind helping a few other people with their designs I'd jump in there and help for sure. I did do a little math and 15x17x50 will gross 5.87cuft total so once you subtract port and sub displacements it would probably need to be another inch or so deeper than the 15" to keep a whole 5cuft NET but shouldn't require the entire 18 inches to do so. Hopefully someone like Bassink will see this and jump in and help.

Baskets are cheap, probably the cheapest part of the subwoofer assembly. I don't see how it would save you any money at all unless you were lucky enough to come across the motors used and in good shape. In your case I would imagine it would be cheaper and easier in the long run to just sell the DP's and buy the Wardens if you're wanting Wardens.

Beautiful.... Awesome that the wife doesn't want it to go. Could always save it for the boy, who's growing up SUPER fast, he'll be 16 and wanting to drive before you know it. It's been awhile since I've seen a picture of him, they just don't stay small long enough do they?!?!!??

What? Another PR setup? Awesome!!! The rebuilding of those subs is looking good man. Keep up the good work.

Wow, I'm kinda surprised there's not been any comments yet. I figured the geeks among us would find this stuff pretty kewl. Ah well, here's another one of my favorites and if you love Lego's you'll love this one as well. It's amazing just how accurate they stay to the art of Lego building with this demo. The way the characters move, the way all the vehicles, buildings, hell even the landscaping are made are true to the Lego form. That and a little Matrix scene mimicking make it a fun one to watch. http://archive.assembly.org/2003/combined-demo/legomania-by-doomsday

This is Second Reality, one of my all time favorites and the demo winner from the competition in 1993. Keep in mind the VERY first 60 to 66Mhz Pentium processors were released in March of '93. Most people were running 386 and 486 machines with 1 to 4Mb of RAM clocking in at 25, 33, and 50Mhz with no REAL graphics card power. http://archive.assembly.org/1993/pc-demo/second-reality-by-future-crew

I myself am more sure than Sean that you'll be misled a lot. The absolute worst place I've ever gone and heard tips, information, etc. related to car audio is a shop (next to the internet). The defining difference between them though is the difference between the shops whose personnel are stuck up, won't listen and think they're 100% right all the time and the shops with personnel who (whether they believe or do anything with the insight) can listen, comment & communicate, and are humble enough to admit they don't know it all. It's VERY apparent which places these are within a few minutes of walking into the shop and talking with someone. I have two such shops that I thoroughly enjoy visiting when I have the opportunity and they have the time to chat. We get into some great discussions and debates which have lasted hours on a few occasions, lol. In the end though it's all about making a profit and that is the driving force behind a lot of the less than stellar decisions that are made. Shops could take the time and knowledge to custom design and build every installation they do but in reality there's one customer to the hundreds or thousands that come in who would be interested in such an install AND has the money to pay for it. I don't condone the continuing of the bolt it in the factory location, use of cheap equipment and pre-fabbed enclosures, and "installation" that is typical of almost every shop but they would have a hard time staying in business if they didn't. I mean lets face it, most people are completely clueless to what really sounds and works good.

Just for kicks, heres the winner for 2013's 4K intro competition. It lasts just a little shy of 3 minutes and reminds me quite a bit of the TRON world and light cycles. http://archive.assembly.org/2013/4k-intro/highway-4k-by-hbc

In there...

I had the EXACT same thing happen to my thumb about two weeks ago. Set my hand on the side of the car to lean in the door and ask my middle son if he was going to come inside with me and before I leaned in the wind slammed the door shut and latched it on my thumb. Hurt for a few hours and the nail may or may not fall off in time but the worst part is that I can't use that damn nail for anything without it hurting. It also always feels as though it's still numb which doesn't make much sense either. I know exactly how you guys feel/felt.

Hey there guys, I don't know if anyone's mentioned it anywhere yet or not, but chat room is broken. Right after one hits the "I Agree" button it pops up an error page and says "The IP.Chat room limit has been reached. You will not be able to join the chat room until some users first leave."

There's nothing wrong with planning ahead. I wonder though, what did you do for an enclosure for the Dayton. Did you put it in the same enclosure the AE AV12 was in? If so did you model it first to see if it's response was going to be similar to that of the AV12? If the answers are yes, then no, then you've not even given the Dayton a fair chance. Even forgetting about the modeling, if you put it in the same enclosure it's still not a fair comparison. On the other hand if it has it's own new enclosure that has the proper specs then it's just falling short of expectations and it is what it is, lol. Having never used anything from AE I can't speak any comparison to the offerings from SSA but I can say that everything I've had experience with from SSA is definitely at the top of the list when compared to most of everything else I have had experience with. Not that it's a large list, but still, they're all impressive to me and I recommend them to everyone at every opportunity because I believe in the product. I wish.

I've played with a DCON, ICON, and XCON. My XCON 10 has been amazing so far but I've only begun to get any listening time on it nor have I really had time to tune it in with everything else. The 15" ICON that I sold to a guy locally and have helped him install and tune has more potential, I know it. We're looking at building him a new enclosure but it kicks plenty if ass as is. His friends have claimed having trouble breathing when it's cranked up but comment that it was the best they'd ever heard before bailing out, lol. The DCON though, has to be the best bang for the buck sub I've ever had the pleasure of playing with. My sisters 12" DCON gives more output with better detail than anything else I've used in its price range. It's hands down the first thing I recommend when someone is looking for a more budget priced sub. I have to ask, why are you so worried about the SQ of the SSA lineup or from any line of subs for that matter? The enclosure and it's design have SO much more to do with the results you hear than the driver itself does. Besides that the sub plays such a small set of frequencies that it's importance pales in comparison to the rest of the system as a whole when you're really talking SQ.