Sir-Lancelot

You were seriously asking about running 2 ns 10's on 2 3500d's and dont know how to build a box?

I do remember reading a good article on SMD too. Go search on there and check it out OP, it gives you some nice feedback as to why the Auto Parts tests are meaningless. You need much more expensive equipment to add a proper load to get true results.

LOL, what are you going to get now Buddy?

I didnt see this one, Full sized dome, Like large format home audio? Not trying to be spoon fed, but do you have a link to some you have used or would if you were in my shoes. IF I could find one that is sensitive enough to keep up I would be all over it. I will go look at the Vifa and Morel on Madisound now. I have the the ST tuned way down, so maybe. I will take a look. Thanks for the advice. As for power, I have 80w x 4 or 320 x 2 at 4ohm for the tweeters so I should be able to work with that. I am fairly sure I could get them on axis anywhere I put them. Yeah, I agree. I would prefer to stay away from multiple drivers. I have never really herd set ups with lots of drivers playing the same frequencies sound good honestly. I am fairly sure I could get them on axis. Will need to look at the size, cut that out and go play around. I dont want too big of a distraction if I put them in the pillar.

When I was planing out my current system, I almost (like had them in the cart and didn't buy) some planar transducers and glassed them up on the A pillars or in the kicks of my Yukon. I decided against them based on some things I read about the diaphragm being so fragile. I read claims about air and heat damaging the diaphragm so I decided against that. I did have a set of Infinity towers way back that had a EMIT ribbon and I really enjoyed the sound. Unfortunately me being young and not having enough power on tap, I blew the EMIT's a couple of times and finally sold them for something that would get louder on my power. Wish I had those back now that I could take better care of them. From what I have read, (no personal experience) planer transducers are very clear and will play quite loud which I need for my set up. I am thinking that these may be a good option for me to try out, but I am worried about blowing them if they are indeed as fragile as has been claimed. I want to try and get some semblance of a front stage back, have better imaging/staging at lower volumes, and still have enough room to let it rip and keep up with my subs. (4 18" Xcons) Right now I keep up pretty damn good, but that's all it is, loud and clear as hell - nothing more. I don't want to go with horns right now, that just looks like a big pain in the ass trying to fit them and tune them. The planer tweeters seem like a good compromise on paper and I think would be easier to set up, but like I said I have never listened to this in a car environment and have no personal experience. My front right now is as follows: B&C 10NW64 10" Neodymium Woofer Bandpassed 63hz - 2000hz/2500hz (I go back and forth here from time to time) Crescendo Supertweeters crossed at 3000hz The mids are seeing 250w each and the tweeters have 80w going to them, but my gains on the tweeters are all the way down and on my HU I have them lowered another -4db so they are not getting a full 80w. I like it a lot right now and it sounds pretty good, but it is not exactly what I want. I like the air and sense of space of a silk tweeter, but I need something that will play at a very loud level and still sound fast, crisp, and have they airy feeling to them. Hope that makes sense. I realize the planer tweeters are not as sensitive as the super tweeters, but with all that surface area it does not look like getting loud would be a problem. I have been looking at these again and I hope some of you can provide some experience with them or similar. Bohlender Graebener Neo8 Planar Transducer From looking at them, they would provide me the ability to cross them over a good bit lower and play more vocals from them. From what I have read they could provide what I am looking for. Anyone have some input/opinions they could share. Please let me know more information is needed on my end. Thanks in advance.

I'd be willing to bet that we could suprise you with this one ... ask Mark You know we boys Randal, but I am going to say no way - no how a set of component speakers would be able to get as loud as what I have now and no way a 1" silk tweeter would stand a chance. lol If you are suggesting running multiple sets, the whole purpose of me running large pro audio drivers was to avoid that. My set up is night and day different from yours so keep that in mind. What I have now sounds pretty good and get really loud, I love the mids I am running now. I am just searching for other tweeter options. I want something a little smoother that still has enough ass to get loud as shit when I crank on the volume. I want the best of both worlds. I want to have the ability to have a nice high and wide soundstage while still allowing me to beat the doors off my truck. Mids are great!!! Tweeter is good for what it is, but it is most defiantly the weak spot of my system. it is loud, but does not have any sparkle or sense of space.

While that is very funny, hard to believe you are truly proud of yourself. You are not his buddy man, you are his Father. Last thing I say on it. Bring up your children anyway you want.

Yes Sir, I do have grills just not pictured. No, I do not have tweeters in the pillars. When I was running my 3 way I had the mids and tweeters in the kicks and the 8" midbass in the door. That sounded good, but put my sound stage centered at the bottom of the radio/dash. I was going to do like you did and glass them in to the pillars, but ditched the idea as there was no way that set up would be herd over the subs at volume.

Thank you for the replies. This is not going how I wanted it to. My miracle tweeter looks like a fail. @95Honda thanks for the link. I didn't know Zaph had even tested planers. I found this very interesting "I often hear people babble on about the shimmer, sparkle and air of ribbon tweeters. These tests show where these "special effects" are coming from - distortion". Humm, well that is no good. Getting them on axis could be done, but I would not try to do that in the pillars so that leaves just the kicks. Not ideal for something that is noted to be fragile. If they wont keep up with the mids then it's a moot point. I was thinking with the surface area it would not be a problem. My thinking is it would be like having 20 tweeters in the car and i would have to tone it down. Thank you for the on the pods. @ ///M5 Them being noted as fragile was my first worry. My truck has the potential to put a lot of air and vibration on them and if I had to put them in the kicks to get them on axis they would also be subjected to dirty feet and such. @ Tirefryr My mids can play up to 2500hz with no problem and can dig pretty low with some EQ on the bottom. Thats why I was thinking I could run them 2 way. When you say a standard tweeter, do you have any suggestions? While eventually I may end up with horns, I put a lot of effort into these door pods and I really dont want to scrap the idea. Maybe a horn would fit, but that's a lot of coin to drop to find out differently. The cut out for the ST I have in the pod now is 4.9x4.6 inches and i made the base a little big so I could the opening a little if needed. I dont mind modifying the pods to house a different tweeter and could aim them no problem, but I dont really want to start over on the pods. 1. I do have some kick panels from my last install that would house a 5-1-4" driver. Is there anything I could put in there that would help? I nice large format would be nice, but I dont see any that can keep up with the rest of the install. 2. Would adding multiple tweeters in the pillar be a bad idea? 3. Does anyone have a full body horn they want to loan me to see if I can fit them? lol

You are going to want a crossover that will bandpass those mids. Either a HU or an external 3way with bandpass. You could find a Coustic on the cheap that will work if you look around.

Well part 2 of the reason I am shying away from horns is I may not be able to fit them without making new pods. I really don't want to buy them and find out they wont fit. So even though horns would be best, is this an upgrade or a waste of time?

Bridge the amp to the 4 selenium mids. Same power as 2 ohm. Run the 6x9 on the HU if you have to have them. You wont hear them over the Seleniums that is a fact.

Nice score Bro. Holy big ass exhaust pipe. lol

Proud moment in white trash history right here.

Thanks Bro !!! Yes, AC/DC has been my favorite group for many years ... Good job on the vids Randal. I agree they are much harder to do than they look. lol I hate the vids where the camera is moving all over the place, makes me sick to my stomach to watch them. Hopefully soon I can hear this! I am with you guys, loves me some AC/DC. Ain't no fun waiting round to be a millionaire.

Did you really just flip the bird to your child?

Looks nice Buddy!

From the info you posted..yes or maybe even no. More details.

I buy a good bit of this type stuff on Amazon too. I love Amazon

I will be at your house Saturday to pick up 4 18" Zcons. I will let you know how I like them when I get back to South Carolina. lol

Deadener on all the panels, closed cell foam, and epoxy everywhere. I know people say don't use multiple layers of deadener, but I have to say my truck is solid because of it. The doors and hatch are heavy as hell. The added mass has helped, IMO. It used to flex a good bit more with less equipment installed. Take it for what it's worth. The closed cell foam helped the panels from squeaking and buzzing. The epoxy helps keep shit from falling off. lol

Nice score it she works. I don't see anything wrong from the pics, just dirty and old.

And, I need to hear yours too buddy! Hopefully soon Bro. I have it marked on my calender for sure! Ha Ha! I loved hearing them say that. Put a big smile on my face! The wife was not as impressed as the kids. LOL You guys are the only people who can enjoy it with me. Everyone else just thinks it's retarded.

Why dont you give it a go? I am sure someone can help you with a design or maybe there is a design in the tech section that will work. Lowes or Home Depot will make the big cuts for you no charge. You would need a jig saw to cut the sub opening, but you can find one on the cheap at somewhere like Harbor Freight. Then glue and screw it together.

You could always put money into my truck. If you need a copy of my wish list just let me know. Oh, and I wont be moving anytime soon.