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ah, house hunting, can be so frustrating... Don't miss it at all. Best of luck with the search.

well, my dad has no feeling from the waist down, and despite the entire neuro team in the nations capital working on him, with special case doctors being brought in from switzerland, and test's being sent to the US as well, they still, with all of their "science" can't explain why or what's wrong. So, since science can't explain it,does that make it not real or not happening? science is still based on the human's doing the work, and as a race, you can't claim we aren't fallible. One must realize our limitations. Not saying all ghost stories etc... are real, and never really have been on to be superstitious or believe in the supernatural, but when for a week, my wife tells me that she feels sick and is having nightmares of someone dying in a car accident and can say it's a male, then at lunch she looks at me and says the sick feeling just went away, someone we know just died, to find out that when she said that her best friends boyfriend had swerved off the road and died crashing into a tree, I believe her unexplainable feelings, and that's not the only time she's had this just one instance. and just as a note, that week was hell for me, she was nagging me to call her before I left the house (we were just dating at the time) and when I got where I was going, anytime I was going to be driving, because she knew someone was going to die in a car crash. I was losing my mind with how paranoid I thought she was being.

well, back at work now, but about a week ago, the wife and I bought a Jayco jayflight swift slx 184BH camper. Were able to get a spot this weekend and took the kids camping. First time I've ever drove with a trailer in my life other than picking it up and bringing it home (which I had my dad come to help me with). Was a fun time. Going again next weekend, lots of memories to be making with the kidlets...

have one here in kingston, believe it's on it's way out however. Used to go to one near my parents growing up, but I think it closed about 5-6 years ago or better. Used to love going to the all nighter's they called them, and have a third movie from 1 am to 3 am (was always a fun time, my brother, my dad and I).

there's definitely more out there than we can "see" or "understand" My wife has a pretty weird sixth sense. Always know when someone close to us/her is about to die. She'll start with feeling a knot or sick feeling in her stomach that is not explainable, the start having nightmares of someone dying in a fairly specific manner (car crash, etc...) for numerous nights in a row. Then all of a sudden she'll not feel sick anymore and that is when the person died. Works right on cue, freaks the shit out of her to no end, and makes her jumpy as hell when it kicks in. Turns her into a nervous wreck, cause she won't know who's going to die, just that it's someone close. The stronger the sick feeling/worse the nightmares, the closer to us the person is. She used to be able to see/talk to ghosts/spirits when she was little as well, but she has lost that ability, she believes likely through willful suppression on her part when she was younger.

welcome to the site, many around here with great depth of knowledge, and very helpful group. Best of luck with your future car audio endeavors.

what voice coil configuration do you have? Or are you buying to suit the amp you pick? If the second is the case, I am currently running a precision power sedona series 850.1D and so far am impressed with it. it can be had through sonicelectronix for 159.99 and is rated for 850 watts x 1 @ 1 ohm http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_24975_Precision-Power-PPI-S850.1D.html?SearchClickout%5Bquery_id%5D=21981949&SearchClickout%5BIgnore%5D=1 Sort of just to compare: MB Quart RA1000.1 (1000watts @ 1 ohm) 188.95 http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_67866_MB-Quart-RA1000.1.html MTX TD1000.1D (1000watts @ 1 ohm) 169.95 http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_43786_MTX-TD1000.1D.html RE Audio DTX-2000.1 (1000watts @ 1 ohm) 179.99 http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_68066_RE-Audio-DTX-2000.1.html Rockford Fosgate R750-1D (750watts @ 1 ohm) 208.99 http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_34763_Rockford-Fosgate-R750-1D.html

So, I've noticed recently that just about every wire company has bot OFC and CCA wire available, with OFC being the higher end line. My question is, In a car audio environment, where my power wire run will be no greater than 17 ft, is the difference in conductivity enough to make a noticeable (to me as an average consumer) difference? If not overdrawing or improperly fused? As an example: 4 awg run 60 amp fuse less than 12" from battery to amplifier that has a max current draw of 60 amps with a total length of the run being 12 ft? Amp ground at 18" on 4awg as well? Or say doing big 3 upgrade with 1/0 wire running above mentioned equipment/main power run to the back?

you know you're addicted when... -you got your first pair of 10" subs for x-mas at 15 yrs old (can't get a drivers license till 16) -Buy subs/amps just to try them out with no intention of ever keeping them... -Your 4 year old asks if we can take the SUV cause he just likes the big speaker that goes boom... And then complains because mommy won't turn it on for him... (and I keep it turned down quite low with him in the vehicle, my wife has it turned off anytime she's driving) -it took you twice as long to install your current system because you had your 2yr old and 4yr old helping because you couldn't wait for your wife to get home from work... -most of your time spent on the computer is looking at different car audio gear that you would like to buy, and the rest is spent reading car audio forums.

yes, but a vehicle is full of reflective surfaces as well, and anything playing up front will undoubtedly reflect off of every surface available, including those behind you, just the same as a live venue correct? Therefore for ease of imaging/sound stage adjustment would it not be better to run a properly powered/installed set of front speakers/components? But then for many, who don't care about the above, but just want their stereo to be "louder" would it not be easier for them to just upgrade the stock located speakers all around and amp them with no care for proper imaging/sound stage? Or is our crazy obsessiveness for proper what everyone the world over should strive for?

personally I try to hide all my wiring as best as possible, so I don't care if it looks pretty. And besides, what is so wrong with plain black wire? Myself my power is red and my ground is black, but I've had this wire for about 7 years now, and in multiple vehicles. Everytime my vehicle changes I pull out the system and wiring, look it all over and inspect it for any possible damage, then re-install. So money well spent for me. I see no need for blue/silver/pink/purple/green etc... When someone tells me that they can get wire in all different jacket colours all I see are $ signs.

love the progress, looks awesome man, always happy to see someone enjoying their projects. Liking the stained wood as well. Definitely different from the normal grey carpet. And as for using the pre-existing holes for the wiring, it's fine, you've kept them neat and tidy, and ziptied together. Nothing wrong with that.

any cooling for the amps hooked up? It's gonna get hot under there. Other than that it's looking clean so far. Oh, and I'm running the milwaukee 18v tools as well. Absolutely love them. Ergonomics are great, and the weight of them is spot on.

Had a sales guy fry two different kicker subs in a showroom in front of me years ago, and try to tell me that the burnt coil smell was just the sub "breaking in" and was "normal" as smoke was coming out of the ports. Sort of turned me off of kicker, as if that's who they allow to represent/sell them, where else are they cutting corners? Then they came out with the square subs, and said they had great sound quality.... Not saying they're a terrible company, their products do have their place and abilities, just turned me from them, and I worked at a shop who picked them up as a line, and sold and installed their products, still to this day I haven't had anything from them in any of my vehicles.

probably not the best or safest idea to be turned around taking a video while you're driving... Should probably be putting your attention on what's in front of you perhaps.

it's funny I've always been partial to buying new, but the last sub I had (OZ Audio Matrix Elite 12) I bought used off of the internet from a guy in another country, and used it with no issues for 7 years. I guess it's buyer beware, as you can get a good deal, but you can get screwed too. If the Orion looks in good condition and doesn't appear to be tampered with then might be a good deal for ya... That being said, I'm running a PPI Sedona series amp, and love it.

OZ Audio - love my matrix elite 12. Still have it, but am trying new stuff again just for fun... Alpine - still have my CDA-7998, probably my favorite deck that I've run (run different alpines, Pioneer, Sony, JVC...) JBL for amps - ran a pair of their amps for 7 years with no hiccups, and I wasn't nice to them either.

But what both those charts fail to mention is voltage drop due to differences in specific resistivity of the two different metals. And in our environment where a lot of people have issues already with voltage drop due to the strain they're putting on their electrical system (ie. stock batt, alt, and not upgraded power/ground under hood) using a subpar cable that is causing more voltage drop can cause problems. Our amplifiers are designed to be functional in a certain voltage range, when you start forcing it to try to operate outside that range, you are going to start causing damage. And in my experience, most people willing to cheap out on wire, are also cheaping out elsewhere, and are the most prone to issues down the road. My last set up I ran for 7 years (2 amps, sub and components) just sold both amps and still have sub and components in working order back in their boxes in the garage. But I've seen others lucky to get 1 year out of their equipment before running into problems...

this is why I started this thread. I find in car audio especially, there are a ton of myths and misrepresentations, and a lot of dishonesty. When people stop talking and learning, these myths/misrepresentations start getting passed around as truths, and people spend money on things that they shouldn't. I've lost count of the systems I've seen where a guys is running a 1200 watt mono block in a subcompact with a 90 amp alt, and thinks that the capacitor the guy at (insert box store/sleazy salesman name here) sold him has solved all of his issues... When I started buying car audio 13 years ago, I didn't see any CCA wire, everywhere had just copper or 99% pure OFC (what they advertised). Now I'm seeing CCA kits, rated to carry the same amperage as OFC for 2/3 the price with salesguys saying the standard "electrical current is carried on the outside of the wire, therefore the copper cladding is all you need, this wire is just as good for less of a cost...." Have I mentioned I don't like most sales guys I meet... I guess I'm just at a point where I like to see intelligent conversation started based on factual information so that those who may not necessarily have the technical know how can easily see the reasons behind the why and how of this hobby/profession/obsession. On that note, I personally am not currently in the market for wire, was just looking for some info to feed my addiction. And a big thanks to those that have answered, I love a good discussion. And a big thanks to 95Honda, have always found your posts to be very informative and helpful, I remember reading your posts on soundillusions.net when I first got into this. And another big thanks to djjdnap for the info from bcae1.com, have loved that site for years.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_24979_Precision-Power-PPI-S2000.1D.html for 239.99 should be able to power one of those xcons for ya.

Quentin, care to explain why? As your answer is the opposite of the previous 4. I ask this question, as from all the kits/wires that I have seen, manufacturers are rating CCA and OFC for the same amount of current per size, and coming with the same size fusing. What I'm wondering is if CCA's conductivity is able to carry the same current with out a noticeable voltage drop (at the length being used in a car environment 17 feet or less per se), thus able to perform the same then why pay more? I realize that yes OFC is more conductive, but then I'm not trying to run 100 feet of wire at max capacity either. That being said, I already have mine wired, running 12 feet of 4 awg OFC for a 60 amp current draw. Just trying to sastisfy my curiosity and make people think is all.

Well, as an update, still loving this amp so far. Just have it hooked up at 2 ohms for 600 watts right now, and it really gets the sex 15 moving in a sealed enclosure. Have not had any hiccups. On a side note, I now need to come up with ideas on how to stop the rear hatch on my x-trail from sounding like I'm shaking a spray can, damn it's bad. I miss my s-10 that I had the panels deadened on...

Going to use it to power an RE audio 15" SE-X subwoofer. wondering did I make a mistake with this amp? Or are people saying good things about them still? For now, the sub will be seeing 2 cubic feet sealed, as I am currently in a budget crunch and don't want to shell the cash to build a different enclosure (this is also the reason for the amp choice, was price point).

idler pulley, if it goes, or belt comes off, well, then you're in a whole different world of trouble, had this happen to a vehicle in a minus 30 degree blizzard driving on a highway over an hour drive from any city... Great feeling...

the sub does exactly what I need it to do, and I have had it for a couple of years without ever hooking it up, so I'm not about to sell it for something else. I got it all hooked up today, and have to say I am thoroughly impressed overall with the ability of both together. Definitely pleased. Just had got a little nervous about the amp, when I did a little more looking past the few reviews that I could find to who owns Precision Power nowadays and realized it was Power Akoustik whose gear I have not been impressed with in a long time (used to work at a shop that carried their stuff and installed quite a bit of it). That is all. So far the amp seems to have plenty of power on tap, not the horribly overrated specs that I've seen on a lot of power akoustic amps.