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I am, but if the Tempest-X Gen 2 models better, and is cheaper enough, I will probably get that, but I will keep deciding and thinking . Thanks for all of the help.

It will have a tune of 17.89hz due to the triple 4 inch ports that are 41.75in long each. If I can figure out a space for it, I could possibly go for 12 cu.ft tuned to 11.57hz with two 4 inch ports 39.5 inches long each. But, depending on the price and performance of the Gen 2 Tempest-X, I might go for that one though. I found a Gen. 1 for sale brand new for $188 on HTS, but I am going to wait to see the Gen.2 first. Thanks for the help. And, sorry for the endless questions that ammounted to 16 pages.

OK, that's what I was thinking. Here is the box spec I was thinking of for the IXL 18.2.2: I am probably going to get the IXL 18.2.2 when they are back in stock... But until then, I wanted to see what you guys thought about my planned box dimmensions. It will be 7 cu.ft tuned to 17.99hz so the port lengths can be a quarter multilple like .75 or .25. The box needs to be the same depth and width to fit in the corner of my room to clear the furniture. Just to make sure, the 19 inch depth and width are external dimmensions and not internal, correct? Here is the port lengths and volume: You need to multiply the port volume 524.6459731494955 (yes, that is the actual number it has) by three due to the three 4 inch ports at 41.75 inches long to keep the tune the same. And, here is the bracing: You will need to multiply 169.5 by 2 due to the two braces. Two cutouts so I can drill holes for the three 4 inch ports. Both of the braces will have the 2 cutouts, and the three holes drilled in them for the 4" ports. Would you guys recommend anything else for me to change? I am not sure how much bracing I would need for this box, so I am hoping someone could help me out there. The box will have 1 inch square legs or something that will fit with a 3/4" thick baseplate screwed into the legs. I am open to any suggestions you guys have. Thank you

Alright, IXL or Mal-X it is. I doubt my parents will let me spend over $400 on a sub, but who knows, maybe they will. Just out or curiosity, how would the Kicker Solo-X 18 sound in HT? Thanks, and you don't HAVE to answer that question, but I was just curious...like always.

Would you guys rather just have me post the link to the box I was thinking of (it's at Home Theater Shack), or just post it here?

No, I don't take your answers as rude one bit. It is very informative. The only reason I was looking at the Reckhorn is to use it as a HPF so the IXL wouldn't go over its Xmax limits with running 650w from one channel of the EP2500. Were you thinking of using it some other way? The Shiva-X has a Gen II coming out soon. Even with the old Shiva-X, with shipping, it will be $205. The IXL 18.2.2 will only be $260 with shipping. And, the Tempest-X is as good as the IXL in WinISD, so I just thought I would bring it up. It will be even better (I'm thinking) when the Gen II version comes out. Also, the price will be going up on the Gen II Shiva-X's, so I'll have to see how much more the IXL will be. If the IXL is like only $30 more, would you go for the IXL still? I will post my box plans for the IXL (not saying that I am getting it yet...) to see what you think or what could be improved. Thanks

Yes, the Tempest-X Gen II is coming out sometime within the next few months. It is the 15", but I haven't seen the Pe of it, so I can't tell you if it is the 600w one you are thinking of. How much can you get the reckhorn for? I think if I wanted processing I would buy something a little more stout. I would hold off on the processing purchase untill you get the sub in the room and have listened to it quite a bit and placed it where you really like the sound. Maybe geta mic and to some charts/graphs too if you want. I would really really hate for you to buy it and either not need it, or worse, need much much much more processing. As a side note, some people really feel that when the process their sub it looses a lot of the visceral grunt it had before they put it on a processor. What your ear hears and body feals is a bit more important for movie watching than just having a flat response line. I found the Reckhorn for $95 on one website, which was the cheapest I could find it for. And, I wouldn't get the EP2500 until sometime around Christmas. What processor do you think I can get that is better? I would like to keep the price of it below $150, if possible. Thanks for the help

Ok, I have pretty much decided on what to get. If the Tempest-X is too much cheaper than the Mach 5 IXL 18.2.2, I will get the Tempest-X. But, I will have to see how the GenII Tempest-X models in WinISD before I make up my mind. Should I still get the Behringer EP2500 and the Reckhorn B-1? Thanks for all of the help, and I'm sorry for the constant questions. Thanks for hanging with me on this

One more driver question, I hope...sorry Anyways, would you guys recommend the Tempest-X over the IXL 18.2.2 or the ShivaX? Depending on the price of the Tempest, I think I will just get that, but I will have to model it and see where it reaches its Xmax limits on 150w; that's if it will Thanks

I was thinking a 21 cu.ft box tuned to 18.12hz for two IXL 18's (one 10.5 cu.ft box for each of them so I can adjust where I can place them) with four 4 inch ports 16.82 inches long...how does that look to you guys? Also, I will be modeling the Shiva-X in different boxes and see what I can do with that I just can't decide on if I should get the Shiva-X or the IXL 18.2.2...but I think it will be the Shiva just because it's around $60 cheaper. Thanks, and I am open to box suggestions if you have any

OK, thanks. When I model the Shiva in a 6.35 cu.ft box, it reaches its Xmax limits at 13hz with no HPF running at 150w, which my Yamaha amp is rated at. If I use the IXL 18, it doesn't reach its Xmax limits at all with the Yamaha amp. Here are the two drivers: Thanks and I am open to opinions...

Oh I believe you My crappy KLH 10" sub is *almost* loud enough. Just not near loud enough on the low frequencies... That sub has taked quite a beating on Bass I Love You by Bass Tronics and The Bass Will Destroy You by them It sound pretty good on those, but again, not loud enough. Which would be a better "musical" sub? The IXL 18 or the Shiva-X? Thanks for the help

Ya, I was thinking that also I probably won't use all of the one either, but, why not have the head room? Thanks

True. I didn't even think about that...thanks Anyways, I have a refined budget . Nearly doubled... I can spend around $265 on a driver in 3 weeks. I can spend $380 on a amp and crossover (I was thinking the Behringer EP2500 and the Reckhorn B-1), then, I can spend another $265 on a second driver, if needed...The process of buying a driver, amp, then another driver (if needed) would be around a year or two. But, I could get the driver pretty soon...All in all, I could spend around $910...wow... I was thinking about getting the Mach 5 IXL 18 for a driver, but I would like something that would give tight bass over a "rumble". Any suggestion on a different driver, amp or crossover? Thanks for all of the help

Yes, I know not to take the winisd graphs literally, it's just a thing to give you a estimate, right? And, I know the box would be pretty big...13.5 cubes is pretty big, but I modeled that and that made it so it could hit 120db at 20hz. I also modeled 2 Dayton MKIII 15" so it could hit 111db at 10hz in a ported box running at 750w and no HPF! That would be pretty awesome. The 2 Shiva's could hit 107db at 10hz in a ported box, and at 600 watts, but with a HPF set at 9hz. And, thanks for clearing up the port lengths for me How should I model the 2 Dayton's MKIII 15" or the 2 Shiva's? What box size, tuning frequency...etc? Thanks for the help

Never mind about the last post...my bad My constant curiosity is going to get me killed...I know it is. It may even be by one of you guys...hopefully not though. I'm just trying to find what would be best for me. So, here goes... I had been graphing stuff on WinISD, and just decided to graph the Dayton Titanic MKIII found here http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=295-420 When I graphed it, I was pretty amazed that it could beat the Shiva-X, but after all, it is a 15" over a 12", and it's $14 more expensive... So, I was wondering...for the extra $14 over the Shiva-X, should I get this driver instead? I graphed it, and found that it could take more power before it reached its Xmax limits, which I think is a good thing...but I'm still learning... Also, if I decide to get a second one, I could hit 120db at 20hz with 1000w Wow...the two Shiva's would be able to hit 117db at 20hz also, but they are about tied below 20hz; that could just be how I modeled them. For the 2 Dayton's, I had a second order HPF set at 13hz, and for the 2 Shiva's; a third order set at 14hz. The box for the Dayton is 27 cu.ft tuned to 19.05 hz with 4 eight inch ports (there would be two 13.5 cu.ft. boxes with 2 eight inch ports with a overall length of 21.67 in.), and for the Shiva, 14.7 cu.ft box tuned to 17.85 hz (again, two 7.35 cu.ft boxes, with 2 four inch ports at a overall length of 11.47 in.) I would have to get one driver at a time, wether it be the Shiva or the Dayton, due to money costs...and I could get the second one for Christmas, B-Day, etc... And, I would get the Behringer EP2500, and the Reckhorn B-1 before I get the second sub... So, after all of that... I have my question. Do YOU think that for the extra $14 dollars (the Dayton has free shipping, and the Shiva would be $205 with tax and shipping) Personally, I think that the Dayton would be a better choice, but, then again, I don't even know anything about that sub... I also know that this is way out of my budget, but I had refined it earlier on, and it is around this much, as far as I know... Thanks. And I apologize for yet another long, boring question, but I want to get the best for my money... Thanks again

How would the Shiva-X in a 6.35 cu.ft ported box with the Behringer EP2500 and the Reckhorn B-1 be able to compare to this subwoofer? http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls15dualdrive.html I am curious to see if that sub is <actually> worth 2K Thanks

Ok. But I don't need one even though WinISD shows it over its Xmax limits with 750 watts? I just really want to make sure... Thanks for the help

Ok. Would I need a HPF for the Shiva-X in a 3.2 cu.ft sealed box? It would be running off of the Behringer EP2500 and the Reckhorn B-1...I am still learning on how to model the HPF's right...but I'm learning none the less... Thanks for all of the help and for understanding that I am a rookie at box building and subs (besides my own )

I was going for the 4 cu.ft, but I just figured that I would just follow the Shiva-X application notes on Diycable so I know that that design is proved to work. If I do go ported, would I need to make the two 4 inch ports secured in the bracing? Thanks

Should I change anything? This is my first time for building a box...I would also like to start the box possibly today, if not tomorrow. Thanks

Sorry to double post... How does this look? Anything that I should change? And bracing volume: Thanks and any suggestions are welcome...

Ok, thanks. If I wanted to stuff the 3.2 cu.ft box, how many pillows should I use? And I will definitely not do that. I have heard that playing sine signals isn't good at certain levels...I am definitely not going to hurt this sub. Thanks for the help

True. The biggest recommended sealed box that Diycable has on the Application Notes for the Shiva-X is a 3.2 cu.ft with 50 oz. of Poly-Fill. What could I use in substitute for Poly-Fill? Thanks for the help

Ok. Would there be any way that I could damage the Shiva-X in the 4 cu.ft box with the Yamaha 150w amp? If I could, I will save up more money, and just get the Reckhorn B-1 as sooon as possible. But, I would still use the sub I would just not play it too loud... Thanks