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I have decided that I am open to trying a 6th order blowthrough for my XCON and will pay someone to design something for it. I currently am doing a ported box with a small adaptor over the front to channel it in through the ski-port but have been reccomended to just try a 6th or 4th order, I love the sound of 4th orders but the XCON is not so suited for that so a 6th order would be the go here. I am after a response resonably flat between 28hz and 50hz or so and the port has to exit pretty much central to the width of the box. The port can be external by 80mm at the top and about 110mm at the bottom and have max dimensions of W:320mm X H: 185mm (Internal Dimensions) as that is my opening to the cabin as pictured below: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140310_172154.jpg The box itself can have External Dimensions of W:1000mm X H:370mm X D:600mm That is my current dodgy thing, does pull a nice 141' @28hz though http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140314_181733.jpg Thanks for any help!

I'd like to do something like that, a 4th order would be great but probably not really suited to the XCON. A 6th order I don't know what to design and really don't want to blow this thing up, tuning one chamber to the fs and the other an octave or slightly less up is all I could really think of doing, port area and volume sizes for both chambers I do not know. I just had this box made so I'll see how I go but I thought someone could give me a pointer as to what is this effect of "In" excursion like its getting sucked in, I reduced my port area over my previous box so its not really adding up to me. BTW how do I change that frickin name in my profile, its 6 years old and I'm wiser.

Ok basically I had an ok box, performed well'ish, ported 2.4ft3 60sq" port @ 33hz, then I made an adaptor to sit over the front and channel the ported box into the cabin via the skii port. This worked a treat and made it much cleaner sounding and changed my tuning down to 27hz. Now, I have a new box finished I payed some $$ for and its 2.8ft3 tuned to 32hz with 50" inch of port, the concern is pretty much straight away below 32hz the sub seems to sort of get stuck in and doesnt excurt properly and have stuff all output also, what is this and what can cause it?? I know it could be a lack of backpressure in the box but the new box I thought was a much better design than my old one which could delve from 33 to 28 and still have decent controll and at no frequency did it do this "Stuck in" excursion. My only hope is that when I make my new adaptor entry to the cabin that it will lower tuning to about 30hz sealed to cabin which is perfect based on 27hz being very nice but perhaps a little too low in response and It will add some back pressure to stop the sub from excurting "In" my old box sealed into the cabin was doing 141@28hz and 138db still at 24hz but the long port of 1.8m was creating ugly port echoes in kick drums or any frequency above 45hz to about 55hz and also excursion went mental at 36hz for some reason like a bad spot and I was hoping this new design would fix all that but now theres a new very ugly problem Old Box: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140507_193039.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140314_181733.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140314_181223.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/Car%20Audio/IMG_20140310_172154.jpg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ New Box still making adaptor for that continues a 45* port entry instead of "splat" into the wall of the adaptor: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/10717790_785156258210464_1376268556_n.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/10726708_787424414650315_540361306_n.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z68/8adk1d/IMG_20141019_191418.jpg

I measured both outside and inside and then worked out the middle distance from that......the calculator said its working it out for the inside length?? (Carstereo.com)

I know it may take some time specially being designed in mm (As I live in Aus) but can someone or as many people as possible confirm roughly these figures??? Also, feel free to use this design and enjoy!!! BOX HEIGHT IS 260mm, 224mm are Internal Dimensions as all pieces join to TOP/BOTTOM ------------ --------- Also I designed this for a 8" Rockford Fosgate P2D28 sub w/ a bit of extra port area for sub upgrades that may have up to 13mm in XMAX such as say a DD sub (P2D28 has 9.5mm)

Hmm ok, but its close though yea? tuned around 28/29hz?

Also TOTAL OUTSIDE BOX DIMENSIONS ARE: - Width = 500mm - Height = 260mm - Depth = 350mm

Hey, just contemplating buying a Fi Q 12" off someone and he claims it is "Fully-Loaded" and after asking him is there is any proof of it being fully-loaded he said no. He then said now that he thinks of it, he's not sure if they are, as he only got told that when he bought them off someone else. So, is there any way we can verify if they are fully-loaded or not? Say a Imprinted serial number somewhere and you might have that particular build in your files somewhere and you can see if they were upgraded? Oh he has 2 for sale, thats why i said "If they are fully-loaded or not"....my mate might get the other one!! Thanks, Regards.. Craig

To me a loud system that can play music without sluuring the bass together along with no MAJOR dips in frequency response and not missing out different instruments in the song AND no distortion / very little distortion is """"SQL"""". I think its subjective and we have different perspectives on what it means and there are many different intentions behind using the term...but yea ok its not technically correct

I prefer sound quality over output, well actually I dont know.......just, I want to be able to play all notes well and not sloppy but i want it to be making my hearing flutter which low notes like 28hz do well, pretty much how it was in the house except without any dips in output from 38-80hz and without a very steep roll-off at 31hz downwards. Also I'm a bit tight even when i have the money to get such subs, I just cant do it, i cannot spend $500Au on a sub or $500Au in total for two, its too much I think I'll officially get another IXL 12" and hopefully building a T-Line box for it as soon as i get it, but yeah, I probably wont get one for at least 2 months because I'm not exactly in the position to be buying things right now!! So as it stands, another IXL 12" will be coming, and hopefully i get in before Affordable Drivers run out of v.1 IXL's Ohh also i cant remember if i mentioned it before but by using a T-line enclosure, it should be pretty evident when its over-excurting and i can just turn it down unlike when the voice coil heats right up i couldnt even see it coming because i can usually hear distortion but this time i didn't hear it at all.......

Hey I was wondering where and how can i get a recone in Australia for my IXL 12", as i blew it up a couple of days ago?? do you guys stock the IXL v.1 parts and do i have to send it to you guys to recone it, or because i actually bought it from Affordable Drivers (Distributor In Aus) can i send it to them to recone it if they have the parts?? or if they dont have the parts and you guys do, can you send the parts to them and they can recone it? or even can Digital Designs recone it for me with the right parts provided by either you guys or Affordable Drivers because Digital Designs are pretty major in Aus and they do recones here for their drivers so they'd know how to fix these type of woofers? any help appreciated!!

Na its ok mark, thanks anyway.....its going to cost too close to or more than a new one after shipping and all

Free-air VID:

@ Adrian_D : Yea its louder in the car at 40hz or so but no where near it at say 30-36hz or anything else, i was shocked as logically it should be louder in a car and i was expecting it to be. Yea I guess, he needs to personally check the car out and do tests himself to properly do it, which isn't possible. I thought i could just tell him what sound i want for him to be able to work something out. I want a reasonably flat response until 36hz, then from 36hz down to 26hz or so I'd like it to really come to life and give people a strangely pleasant reaction along with me uncontrollably raising my eyebrows I'm actually thinking of trying a T-line for my next box, and with a low FS and perfect T/s specs for a T-line on the first series of IXL's, maybe it will turn out quite good.......I know it drops power handling but at least I'll be able to easily hear when I'm over excurting the woofer rather than it just heating up without much notice. It was not even moving that much at the level i had it at when it blew up. I have ran it free-air before and it moves far more than in the box and pretty much handles all the power it was getting in that video. Theres actually a free-air vid in my youtube profile and it was taking the same amount of power as the vid of it in the box so, well, maybe the t-lines the way to go for me

I don't know if Sam's got any IXL15's in stock in Aust I think its only 18" according to the website?? That may be an issue...... Don't suppose you want to off-load the dead one off really cheap do you?.............. Cause if you do I might have a go at doing a re-cone (BTW was that quote for Aust stock recones or from Mark @ Mach 5??) Jono The quote was for Mark @ Mach 5 to send the kit here yes.I could sell it to you REALLY cheap but the shipping would still be a fortune man, it costs like $150 or so in shipping just to get an icon here.........but then again it wont cost you much to get the re-cone kit, hmm still....it would end up costing a bit I'd imagine. Na they dont have the 15"'s in stock but arewell probably just get a 12" again and make sure i dont blow it up, otherwise my dad would get pissed off for wasting my money haha....ohhh and I'd be angry too of course.

Hey Sam, yea I'm on MEA, my user name is "8adk1d" but I dont really do much there, i just look around.Yea I dont know how i did it really, I think i just gave it a little too much power and Its given way on me but yeah thats the way it goes i guess. The reason i wanted a special design is because even with the recommended box for the IXL, I'm not going to get the sound i want in my current car because of the cabin gain and it would still be too fluctuent in response as it is now, the box i have now is a little small (1.8 cubic foot, before sub displacement) and tuned roughly to 33hz with ample port area and so i was hoping i can find out what i need to do to get the sound i want working with how it sounds in the car. It changed a damn lot going from the house to my car. I'm going to have to get a new IXL because its turned out to be $195 AU for a re-cone kit shipped to where i live and I'm definately not going to re-cone it myself. If i get someone else to do it, it will end up costing more or it will be too near the price of a new one, in which case I'd prefer just to buy another IXL.......maybe a 15" this time Btw that sub in the background is actually a Rockford Fosgate "P2/D2/8" haha

Well it would just be because of the car i have and an unsuitable box for it i guess.What are you refering to when you say "Spend your money on something else than a fancy name for a basic design"? is it PWK your talking about? I thought he was excellent at his box building/ designs

haha lol, lets just say never compare how loud a sub sounds in a house to how loud it may sound in the car.It was waaayy louder in the house, so in the car i just kept turning it up till i thought it was as loud as it should be, ohh and in the house it was running on half the power (600wrms) so even more so why i thought i could turn it up in the car. Heres the vid of in the house only running at about 400wrms, and let me tell you, it might not look like it but trust me its "loud as" in that room: I'm so building another box more suited to my car now , might get a design off PWK!!

alright I'll give that a go

yep yep roger that!!

I want to know what the damping factor is @1 ohm, 2ohm and 4ohm also wnat to know how many amps the amp takes from the electrical system at all ohms, should be ok on my stock alt 100amps

hmm well, guess I'll just install it and see how it goes and do the big 3 of course

I cant see where it mentions dampening factor in that link, if thats what you posted that link for...but yea i already looked at that before i made this topic, can find the details i want but thanks anyway.

just the most amps it will ever pull from my alternator from either 3 of the ohms.@ 1 ohm I'd be running a Mach 5 IXL 12" so no not full 1200 but might in the future if i get a better sub such as an Xcon or a Fi Q fully loaded but yea i just want to know how much amps it will take in real life numbers from the alt at full tilt at all ohms eg: 1ohm = 80 amps MAX pull from the alt cranked up 2ohm = 60 amps MAX 4ohms = 45 amps MAX just want to make sure my alt will be fine for some years and also if I'm ready to get 2 batteries or 1 really good one

ok well... "Money Man" is 36hz " + " = meaning somewhere higher, "I don't know" ========================================================================================== Plies - Somebody Loves You--------------------------------------------------------------------[41hz / 32hz] Plies - Street Light----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[30hz] when constant bass goes, sorta hard to distinguish unless you can pick up 30hz fine Plies - OL' Lady------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[31hz lowest note] ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== Young Jeezy - 24, 23 (Kobe, Lebron)---------------------------------------------------------------[33hz / +] Young Jeezy - Trap or Die 2---------------------------------------------------------------------------[33hz w/ fade up 2hz or so every line] Young Jeezy - Burnin Up ft. Blood raw, Slick Pulla---------------------------------------------[33hz w/ +'s] Young Jeezy - Keep It Gangster---------------------------------------------------------------------[33hz / 26hz] Young Jeezy - Ya Dig-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[42hz / 33hz] Young Jeezy / USDA - White Girl--------------------------------------------------------------------[32hz / 53hz] ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== Gorilla Zoe ft. Lil Wayne - Lost---------------------------------------------------------------------[32hz / +'s Gorilla Zoe ft. Gucci - Walk Wit A Waddle-------------------------------------------------------[34hz / 55hz] Gorilla Zoe - Doe Boys----------------------------------------------------------------------------[32hz lowest note] ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== Young Joc - Living the life---------------------------------------------------------------------------[50hz / 31hz] Young Joc ft. Bun B, Young Dro - I AM A G-------------------------------------------------------[34hz] ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== Gucci Mane - Who R U-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[24hz lowest note] lol had to mention this, its just ridiculous...gets the woofers moving like mad Gucci Mane - Full Swag--------------------------------------------------------------------------------[32hz / 38hz / +] Gucci Mane - Alligators---------------------------------------------------------------------------------[33hz / 65hz] Gucci Mane - Truck Loaded---------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz / 31hz when bass kicks in properly] Gucci Mane ft. Montana, Alley Boy , Young Ralph - Rock Solid-----------------------------[48hz / 46hz and then 34hz / 69hz w/ + in transition like 80hz or something] Gucci mane - Stash House--------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz w/ +'s] ***BANGS*** Gucci Mane - Big Broke Records-------------------------------------------------------------------[31hz] Gucci Mane - I'm So Iced out (Lights on Lights out)-------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Jewelry-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[+'s / 34hz] Gucci Mane - Mr Mrs Perfect--------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz / +'s] Gucci Mane - Lets go to war-------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz / +'s] Gucci Mane - Gorgeous------------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] This beat has infected me, the fading wobble type effect of the bass, the other sounds, ohh just sounds damn good Gucci Mane - Ride Me--------------------------------------------------------------------------------[32hz] Gucci Mane - Street Smart--------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane ft. Yo Gotti & Money Mo - Trapaholic---------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Its My Party--------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Money Bags Shawty-------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Should do the job nicely Gucci Mane - My Plug Is An Alien--------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Gucci The Eskimo---------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Benchwarmers--------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Pressed for time-----------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Gucci Mane - Cuttin Off fingers-----------------------------------------------------------------[31hz] theres a good copy floating around on limewire/frostwire, alot of versions and pretty much all youtube versions have the shit bass, its weird you need to hear both to understand the difference......one sounds real subby and the other just sounds like a type of bass from "Freak Show" by B-Legit & E-40, you want the subby one!! ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== OJ da Juice ft. Gucci - Half A Brick (Make the trap AYE)----------------------------------[35hz / +'s] OJ Da Juice ft. Gucci - Hood Rich----------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] this WILL rattle the car lol Hitman & OJ Da juice - Grams--------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz / 36hz] Gutta & OJ da juice - Right Hand Cookin-------------------------------------------------------[34hz / +'s] ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== Shop Boys - Up thru dere------------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Lil Boosie , Big Head, Webbie & Fox - Say Round or Sa Round---------------------------[68hz / 45hz / 32hz] Shawty Lo - Aint Tellin You----------------------------------------------------------------------------[31hz lowest note] Surf Club ft. Lil Wayne - I Cant Miss----------------------------------------------------------------[34hz / +'s] 3 6 Mafia - Late Night Tip------------------------------------------------------------------------------[33hz lowest note] T-Pain ft. Lil Wayne - Cant Believe it----------------------------------------------------------------[31hz} Usher - Papers------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[+'s / 31hz] Lady GaGa - Paparazzi-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz bass line] lol you'll be surprised!!! you wouldn't think that song had such bass Playa Fly - Too Fly (***prod by Zaytoven version***)-----------------------------------------[33hz lowest note] Ciara ft. Young Jeezy - Never Ever----------------------------------------------------------------[31hz lowest note] Field Mob ft. BoneCrusher - Deep Tonight-----------------------------------------------------[32hz / +'s] 2 Short - Burn Rubber-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Yung Berg - Fishbowl-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[33hz / 52hz] **BANGS HARD*** D4L - Betcha cant do it like me------------------------------------------------------------------[65hz / 33hz] Eminem - When the music stops-------------------------------------------------------------[34hz] Mad Beat ========================================================================================== Well thats enough for now, I'm too tired!!!