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I threw some 'bows in there for ya man.

You have my vote of confidence. I LIKE PEOPLE A LOT!!!! I think everyone has something to share. The only way people learn anything is by human interaction. Antisocialist attitudes are EXTREMELY unhealthy, and often dangerously lead to other psychological problems. Sure I work at a job where I am constantly dealing with different people. Some of them do suck, but I at least give everyone a chance.

In all honesty, I do appreciate everyone sharing their opinion Just keep your claims factual!

Tubes in cars? Me neither. Don't know why, and I'm sure I will never find out. However, I DO have extensive experience in pro audio. I have had the priveledge of working in a few professional recording studios. I have produced and mastered albums. I know my way around a mixer or two. I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that I FULLY "realize". Something you may not realize, is that (based on my first hand knowledge and experience) the majority of modern recording artists and musicians do NOT use tube amplifiers at all anymore . A majority of them use what is called "amplifier modelling". That is, the combination of a DAW and a software plugin that mimics (pretty accurately I might add) the characteristics of analog/tube amplifiers. These are even utilized in performance situations, since tube amps are often less durable, and sometimes expensive. Modellers offer a much cheaper solution, desireable performance and quality, and many of the guitarists that I know use them exclusively. Now, what I dont understand about what you said (what exactly in my statement do you disagree with?), is that you "would give the edge to a tube amp." Now correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming that you are talking about playback of recorded material. If thats the case, neither amplifier has any advantage (disregarding those factors which are subjective to the listener in this case). Just because the material was recorded from the output of a tube amp, a tube amp will not necessarily "faithfully" reproduce this material better than a solid state amp (or vice versa). A properly designed amp should neither add, nor take away anything from the artist's original recording. All an amplifier SHOULD do, is to amplify. So irregardless of what material it is, a properly designed amp SHOULD be giving an "untouched" signal. This is all I meant when I said, "as the artist intended"

Gee. I must be stranded, broken down beyond repair, and wiped out off the track, let alone "on" the wrong one. I guess I cant depend on your help, since there is nothing you can do for me, right? If I am SO wrong in what I said, you are not doing anything to educate me as to what is "right". So I beg you, please help me sir! Lets stop being so politically correct here. You seem to have missed my point. There is a bigger issue here, which I am simply trying to educate you on. Stop flipping the script, and listen for a second. I told you outright, numerous times, that I had made the same mistake, and someone called me on it. Did I deny saying what I said, did I accuse the accuser? No. Fortunately I walked away carrying the knowledge that it is best to research something and back it up with evidence before you decide to make a generalized claim. You need to be a man about this, take responsibility for your actions, quit making irrelevant arguments againts what you said, and walk away having learned something, instead of taking my criticism so poorly. You definitely have something to learn here if you are willing to listen. It's that simple.

I have heard that Eric Holdaway "beat" the test (was able to detect which amp was which), but that RC started making excuses, claimed the test was invalid and refused to pay him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm, off to do some research...

Oh well. I'll see everyone later. If anyone needs some big amps (MA Audio HK4000D, HK-602SX) holla at me. I need some money!!!

oops, thats more than 800

so silly.

anyways.

pretty friggin annoying, i wish the semicolon was somewhere else on the keyboard

dont you hate it when you mix up ; and l

i'll start the rest of my glassing on the doopods today as well

ill take some pics

my p9 setups is coming today...

hmm. guess ill go for 800 posts..

Drugs (used for medial purposes) = Substitute for good eating habits and overall health. (Pain is a completely different thing, obviously) Drugs (for recreational purposes) = Lame.

You stoop as low as insulting my intelligence and comprehension.. I'm sure you care less what I think, which contradicts why you subtly alluded to an insult in your response. If you truly don't care, then why even make a stand? If I "dont understand" anything here, it is what your motivation is against me. You diagree with just about everything I post, and frankly I let a lot of it slide. You are more than entitled to your opinion. Yet, in this case you made a simple erroneous claim, and I called you on it. Granted, my tone might have been a bit fierce, and if it was, I pologize for it. Like I said before, I'm not trying to crysh egos around here. As I said, I "waste my time" with this, because I have been there and done it. You are handling it very immaturely. The problem I have here, is that, you went off on some tangent saying that "everything" is subjective. Mrray gave some examples, but it wasn't his post in the first place. Why am I missing your point? What is "everything"? Being as vague as you are is not making anything clear. I don't want to have some sort of "beef" with you. There is a simple solution here. Just dont make generalizations, and then attempt to redeem yourself with irrelevant arguments, and refuting (ar at least attempting to) with personal attacks.

I personally have not yet heard a modern tube amp system (pre-50s is all I have dealt with) so I cant truly give an accurate analysis on the modern stuff. I'm sure I'd have a better understanding if I had some more experience. But as far as I understand right now, all tube amps add some sort of psycho-acoustic effect to the original signal. Modify it, and yes, its possible that those effect may add something considered beneficial to some listeners. I personally prefer the signal to remain as pure and untouched as possible. So lets just let sleeping dogs lie here guys.

Is that why you are in such a pissy mood lately???

I'll address this...but first I have to ask: Please explain to me what opinion and feeling you are exactly trying to express. That *what* is subjective? Sound quality? I'm not debating that.... I am absoultely not making a personal attack on you, (Although I do find it interesting someone who once said that they are "thick-skinned" and also said "what people say online doesn't affect me" would feel that way) All I have done here is explained to you that what you said was fundamentally flawed. Understand that making generalizations about how people choose and determine what sound quality *is* , is just a bad move, and one that you (not you specifically, no personal attacks here!) are likely going to get called on. .....I know, I'll admit I've made the mistake myself.... If you feel that in the end, it comes down to how something sounds to the human ear, that is your opinion, I don't disagree with you on it. It isn't right or wrong of you to think so. I personally have purchased almost all my equipment without ever hearing it beforehand. How do I determine sound quality? Well, as you said yourself, by research (Yes, I reread your post buddy). But everyone has their own methods of research as well, do they not? Like I said, I am choosing not going to get into the tube/hybrid tube vs. solid state argument

who??

Cut out the baffles today, pics coming soon.

A paint marker. Oil-based enamel. Such as: http://www.dickblick.com/zz221/00/

As mrray13 said, with extras they can be made to sound different, but that is not what the argument is about. Tube amps will sound different than solid state amps, but this is always due to equalization, harmonics, distortion, volume level, or other factors, etc. A watt is a watt. One watt will not sound different than another without being altered in some other electronic or mechanical process (besdies amplification). Hence the challenge to prove otherwise.