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Good price on the Damplifier Pro... 90sq ft is going to be close to what I need...

SSA Tweeters + Mids it is then. For the price, it's hard to beat them.

I haven't been able to audition these, but I've narrowed my front components down to this. Will be running a Sundown Audio 1100.5 and may drive them actively. It'll be in a 2002 Trans Am using the door structure where the tweeters are mounted low but aimed toward your ears. I understand the Focal sound is very bright and detailed and can be a bit harsh/tiring. However, my car is a bit loud and am afraid the Morel's flatter, warmer sound will be lost/overpowered by my subwoofer package, though I do prefer that sort of sound in general outside of the car. In addition, the Morels seem to have a better midrange/woofer that plays in the 50-3000hz range with a 2250 crossover vs Focal which is around 70-5000, relying on a 4700 crossover. So, I'm torn. I think the Focals may sound better in the car with my subwoofer package (dual Arc 12s with 800W on the pair - was able to get a good deal on those and they are based on the IDQ v2s) in the rear well of the hatch. So to balance the setup, I'm thinking the Focals running 125W @ 2-ohm in a passive setup might work in this particular car where the brightness can help. Otherwise, the Morels would be active with 75W per channel. But I'm afraid the balance and neutrality won't be enough and they'd be overpowered. Pricewise, they are within $50 of each other right now. So, it's a toss-up. Any thoughts?

Hi M5, Thanks for everything so far! Are you talking something like these for the tweeters? https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/auto-tweeters/seas-prestige-27tffnc/g-h1396-1-textile-dome-tweeter/#tab-3 You think these would be better than the Evil Tweeters or those SI M25s? Or the Peerless tweeter your posted before? I think I can get them on-axis or very close. And it sounds like you're recommended the Evil 6.5s? If those SI TM65s were a little cheaper, I might go that route. The reviews for those seem to be very excellent.

I'm really digging the SSA Evil Tweeters and 6.5s. One other company I've looked at is the Stereo Integrity M25 Tweeters and TM65 Midbass. Here are the charts for them. Looks like they could be crossed in the 2000-2800 range and perform well, especially on-axis with the tweeters.

I think I can angle it for 15.

That's what I did. It's flat against the speaker grill. The tweeter itself may be angled back a little more. So I think we're safe to assume less than 30 but not 0.

Couple of pics tried to take where my head is and look down at the doors...

Okay, did a measurement. It's 5 degrees off-axis on the passenger side and 30 degrees driver side.

Would the SSA Evil Tweeters and Mids be a good option? The price on those is much better than the Morels, Focals, or Scan-Speak stuff I pointed to earlier. I'm just not sure how they compare.

Passenger side is pretty much right on my face. Driver aims in front of me. Off by 25 degrees or so.

Door is very deep. I think it's like 4.5" there. And I can run a 7" by modifying the door. It's off axis in that range. They are definitely angled up toward the ears but they are down low in the door, so not ideal. But it does provide more room there.

Both are in the door. Tweeters are angled up. The dimensions for the tweeter are that the door holds a 1.95" diameter tweeter. But everything would be a surface mount there. It has a bracket that I could ziptie or tape the tweeter to. But there's no "mount" so to speak.

On board processing of the Pioneer DEH80PRS to start with... For a better price, would the Scan-Speak 18W Revelators and D3004 Illuminators do better? I've seen a lot of very positive things about them as well.

Well, I should have phrased that better. I don't want a muddy sound to get lost in what's a noisier car interior than I think most of you guys run. My thought was a brighter sound may penetrate through that more. However, the Morel sound is closer to what I use with my Sennheiser reference headphones where I do a large portion of my listening. I do like a warm, flat sound. But in the car, I've always enjoyed a more lively and punchier note. I originally started looking at the CDT Audio components and they seem decent, but a bit overpriced. So I started looking at Hybrid Audio. The Clarus midrange seems pretty good but the tweeter is not. Stepping up to the Legatia or Legatia SE line adds a lot of cost. So then I started looking at Morel for a closer sound to my ideal and Focal for something that might work a little better in my car. Which led me to this post. I'm not opposed to just buying some midrange/midwoofers and tweeters separately. Budget would be about $700. I am planning to run active... so either 75W @ 4-ohm or 120W @ 2-ohm with my Sundown Amp.

Hey guys, New here, but looking to complete my sound system. I'm pretty set on doing Hybrid Audio Clarus components for the doors up front with 150W on them. I'm debating on the rear fill, so may just leave that alone for now. So with that said, I'm trying to match that setup up front and will be using a Pioneer 4200NEX HU. I have the upgraded 145A alternator from the trucks on my car running an Odyssey AGM battery with 0 gauge wiring from the battery to the alternator. But for the subs, I plan to use this box: http://subthump.com/Pontiac-Custom-Subwoofer-Boxes-by-Subthump/Pontiac-Firebird-and-Trans-Am-Custom-Subwoofer-Enclosures-by-Subthump/93-02-CamaroFirebird-T-top-Box.html which is a 1.1cf sealed enclosure for dual 10s or dual 12s. And I'm not looking to compete. I just want a nice sounding system that is musically accurate (buzzing thump is a no - nor do I care about hitting 150db). But I do listen to a wide range of music... rock and metal, rap and hip/hop, country, 80s, pop. With that said, I've gravitated toward a couple of options: Option 1 (lower cost but still good performance it seems): SSA GCONs 10s with a Sundown SAE-1500D Option 2 (step up all the way around): SSA ICONs 12s with a Sundown SCV-2000D Option 3 (just different?): IDMAX V4 12s with the Sundown SCV-2000D Option 2/3 are similar in price and Option 1 is a cheaper alternative with a little less amp. I've seen very good things about the GCON/ICON and the IDMAX. Are there other sealed subs that would sound good in that less than $400? Since I'm buying two, I think that's plenty of budget. So the GCONs seem like a very good, reasonably priced sub. But based on the build recommendation, I'd need to go with 10s to fit that box optimally. And are the Sundown amps as good as they seem? The SAE I understand are made in China whereas the SCV are built in Korea? I've also thought about the Memphis VIV series, Zed, PG, and JL Audio stuff. But the price starts to take off on those. I'd like to be around $600 or less. But am I missing an American made amp that can drive these subs? Do I need 2000W with the IDMAX or ICON in that box? Would 1000W be enough? 1500? I also have looked at the Incriminator Audio IA20.1, but the cost is higher. Also interesting is the SSA IC2200.1 that just came out as it fits the budget. Thanks much.

No, not opposed at all. Just wanted something that looked clean.

Thanks, Aaron. I'll be looking forward to placing my order.

ICONs are still in production though?

Thanks for the advice and warning on Woofers Etc. I saw them through Amazon, but didn't realize they weren't authorized. Went back and looked and nope. I've also been looking at the Morel Hybrid 602s for a little more than the HAT Clarus and using an Incriminator IA3.4 driving it (looks like a great amp for the cash). So the soundstage will be pretty clean upfront (doing passive for now since the Morel crossovers look to be good). It also gives me the option of running active down the road. Although, there may be better amps out there for that. In the meantime, I could bridge and drive them pretty hard with it. And for the sub setup, I think I've settled on a Subthump stealthbox with .6CF of sealed space. Looks like an ICON 10 would fit there no problem. And I'd probably do an IA10.1 there with it at 1-ohm for 1200W of output capability. I don't know how that's compare to two GCON 10s in that bigger box with the same amp, but I would think 1 ICON with the same power would be plenty for what I'm looking to do and it edges in right at my budget... Pioneer AVH4200NEX Morel Hybrid 602 6-1/2" Component Speaker System SSA ICON 10" D2 Subwoofer Incriminator Audio IA3.4 Incriminator Audio IA10.1 Subthump 10" Subwoofer Stealthbox (.6CF)

That's what I was worried about. I may just do a single 10" on the drivers side then with a ICON and 1000W? Since the cubic space in a stealthbox is around .7cf. Actually, the Incriminator Audio IA10.1 is 1200W and looks pretty good. And Woofers Etc has the IDMAX for 399, so I thought that was a good price. But I think I'd rather do an ICON over it. With that size of .7cf, is there anything better? I see the Dayton HD stuff calls for smaller boxes. Also, the CDT Audio 1000CF looks like it'd fit there. GCON looks like it would need a bigger box? Is that right?