Billy Jack

Yea it happens man just hang in their I'm sure if they're under warranty the manufacturer will make it right.

I never said the btl couldn't take that amp did I? I said he stated he was running a btl on 1500watts, and wanted to know what 12 or 15 on 7k could get close to it. And I suggested a DD9915Z would be close, not more, or equal, but CLOSE. So it seems my math isn't the problem, but your reading, and comprohension skills. Ow and cone area is not the end all be all of sound, I have had plenty of 12's, and 15's, from good name brand company's, that out hit cheaper less reputable 18's, not that I'm calling a btl a lesser sub, it's awesome no doubt, but similar output can be achieved without a 14foot box and a 18".

Send fix my speaker.com a email they will fix it. I had the same thing done to a Soundquebed HDC312. They said they could fix it but suggested I get it reconed so I did. But it was destroyed and when I got it back it looked brand new and worked perfect. It cost $175 I think it was but still better then a new sub.

Have you ever heard a DD 9915z on 7k watts? They move like a tazmanian devil on crack. And you gotta remember he said he never had the 18 powered with more the 1500watts so a 15 on almost 5 times the power has got to be pretty close. Or I think it would be anyways. The ones I heard got nasty loud ripping sheat metal and all.

First the zcon and now the alt you are having all kinds of problems. Is this a old build or car or something.

Yea the forum has been having some problems. Double post, triple post, kicking people off, wrong names.

Ow you could still play music but anytime your bass would hit all you would hear is a giant fart but atleast it will still shake everything almost as hard as a 18" btl in a enormous box. Lol I kid, I am kiding don't take any of that serious. But seriously you could put a DD9915Z in a 3 cubic foot box and probably get real close to the 18.

Well he said he only had 1500 watts on the btl and would have 7k to run a 12 so I'm thinking with the right box, right install and a 9912Z it would be pretty close. He might have to go a little on the burp side of things but I have heard single sub setups that have done over 150db. Now I have never ran a btl but your right there is no replacement for displacement all you can do is try and see. I know one bad ass 12 or 15 would be all the bass anyone ever needs unless your competing.

Wow that's not that bad I figured you would say $20k plus. As my business grows I'm eventually gonna need more space and will probably do something similar just smaller. I never dreamed my business would do as good as it is in such a rural place but it's been almost non stop since I opened up. Not that I'm complaining more the merrier.

Yes it's a lot of cone area to over come no doubt, but seeing as 9918z did 180db I can only assume it would be the 12" with the best shot at getting anywhere near it.

Fair enough.

Yes those floors are awesome I saw one the other day at a Aquariam that was painted 3D to look like a ocean with waves. Who ever painted it was a straight up artist.

Man I need one about half that size for my car detailing business shine pro's. Right now I'm working out of the two car garage attached to my house. In the warmer months we do them on the concrete drive way out front and pull them in if rain comes. If you don't mind me asking what would all that material cost for a building about half that size? I know it ain't cheap but you gotta spend money to make money.

Try a DD 9912 or 9512 those things can do crazy numbers and don't need to huge of a box.

Just look at the numbers it will give you some idea of how loud and what it might sound like. Vas, BL all that stuff.

I have sundown team 12's in my trunk and I love them I just need more power their laughing at this single crescendo BC3500. I been trying to get another amp but they're always on back order.

Why do you feel the need to insult anyone? Did I say one thing that isn't true. Please tell me you haven't never seen or heard of brand whoring before calling me dumb, cause I have seen plenty. And do you think a new sub should come with glue smered all over the bottom of the surround? Now the blowing of the sub probably was user error, no doubt but the glue was what I was mostly talking about. Well that and how most of these subs will only have one size sub optimized for its size and the rest are just the same with bigger or smaller cones and soft parts. And I have nothing against this idea it's ok for a spl rig that needs to get by a little cheaper but if you want sq or reliability I would go another way. I have 2 team sundown 12's that I love they get nasty loud but don't have the sq of my JL's but there not supposed to I bought one set for sq and one for a spl build. And as far as the crescendo amp I stand but what I said their customer service sucks how can you only make a few amps here and there and make it almost impossible to buy one and stay in business. Hell even Arron here at ssa suggested I sell it and go with ampere or us acoustics.

Take the answers! What answers? All I ever get is a smart ass comment from m5, now some of the other members where helpful, and I appreciate it. And I wouldn't call them pro's, If they hadn't called themselves pro's already. And as far as accolades, all I said was I knew cars, and construction, it's not like I threw down a entire resimay. You ever see the Skit on Saturday night live of the office tech guy who always try's to make everyone feel stupid because they don't know computers, well that basically m5 in a nut shell. Money says he even looks like jimmy Fallon. I came here to learn the tech side, of what I have been using for decades, and so far all I have learned is big boxes might be louder and m5 is a arseho. But I don't sweat nothing it's all good.

You get what you pay for, that's why I almost always run JL. All these discount dealers just use mostly the same parts for 90% of this stuff. Like the amps, they are the same amp with a different name etched on them. I was looking at 3 amps the other day, and they where identical, it was the audio legion 3500, and I can't remember what the other two where but they are here on ssa to. When your sub was ordered they probably just grabbed some parts out of a giant bin. and slapped it together half ass. I myself made the mistake of buying a crescendo BC3500, now it's been months and I can't find or buy another to match it, so I will either have to eat a big loss, or run different amps. I will say one thing for my W7's, there all designed and built different for there size, and not just a frankenwoofer built out of cheap spare parts for 3-4 sizes. Did you not notice most of these subs have the same motors from the 10 to the 15 inch? But even still some of them can do big numbers, but usually don't last, or sound like shit doing it. My last set of spl type subs lasted 6 months, and I have had my JL's for a few years now. They have already destroyed one car, and now working on the second. Yea I need dynomat I know, I'm working on it. But atleast these subs have reconesvso they can just super glue you another One together. Then six months or so down the road it will probably need another. Good thing there cheap it cost like $350 to have my dub 7 rebuilt.

That's awesome. Yea I had the same problem in my neon with the trunk getting ripped off, and that was just barely over 150db on music. We welded that trunk back 5 different times, and it just kept ripping right around the welds. Like the welds held, but it would just rip new sheet metal on the outer edge of the welds. Luckily one side held or the trunk lid would have flew off. My subs where ok, but my amps where badass, modified US2000x's, I have no idea how much they put out, but it had to be a ton. I bought them used from a guy who was sponsored by US amps, and they came out of a comp vehicle. They had been refurbished, and modded, by US amps. I ended up blowing both my 15" inch death penalty's like nothing. I got happy with the nobs one day, and I smelled the coils and turned it down, but they where already done. Next time I tried to play them they where locked up tight. And that was just 15-20 seconds of music.

Holy crap that's some banging. Nice.