Billy Jack

Holy cow 10 cubic feet for a 21" warden. Anybody got a u-haul box truck their not using I wanna do a blow through with 6 of those. Lol could you just imagine that. I kid, I kid.

And here is exactly what I'm talking about. ^ He always has to toss in the little insult "uneducated", of course we where uneducated we where kids, where you born with a PHD nope you where not. Let me ask you a question M5 can you take a blue print and build a bridge from the river bottom up because I can and does it make you ignorant because you don't hold a degree in every field out there like bridge design? Now would I be polite calling you ignorant because of this fact no I wouldn't cause nobody knows everything unless he walked on water and is named Jesus.

I get along good with everyone here except M5 he just rubs me the wrong way and I'm not one to hold my tongue. Maybe I'm wrong and something is getting lost in translation but I don't think so.

Thanks Aaron and yea sorry I hit the r twice in your name I'm typing this on a tiny iPhone 6 keyboard and I got big arthritic fingers so I miss the tiny buttons some time. And yes M5 does rub me the wrong way but like I said before maybe it's just how it sounds in text. Like key and peal did a monologue of this very thing one guy texts another a friendly message but the way it's worded its perceived as a threat and by the time the friendly guy shows up the other thinks he wants to fight. Maybe that's what's going on.

Don't be negative and call me a liar and I want give you bad rep. I never said one ill word to anyone I explained we just never tried it and you say I have never had a system I'm just guessing. I wasn't implying anything I'm sure installed properly these house speakers do sound better no doudt I just ain't never tried it.

Maybe I'm wording my explanation wrong but I assure you I have had many, many, systems. But they where made for cars I didn't turn my doors into speaker boxes and all that like you guys do now. I'm old school in my day we usually had 2 amps one for subs one for components that we placed in factory locations. We always used rows of battery banks instead of HO Alts because back then they where rediculously expensive and hard to come buy. I started like a lot of kids in the early 90's with a set of W1's in small sealed boxes and pretty quickly moved up to 3 12w6v1's ran off Phoenix gold M100 and had the M50 on my infinity cappa components. Then I went for a b pillar wall with 4 15" L7 kicker squares ran off 4 ZX2500 amps in a Z28 with a hatch full of optima yellow tops we had to charge every night before going cruising. I also had 2 death penalty 15"s ran off a US2000x in a trunk car and I have always just used factory locations for component speakers with the tweeter aimed at my ear. When I got back into it a couple of years ago I did the same thing with my avenger I use a mono block to run my sub and replaced all the factory speaker locations and added a second battery in the back. Basically you guys still use the same method of sub stage we did but have switched to running active house speakers on your front stage with no rear's. But even still I don't see many audio shops doing it your guys way most still just replace the factory's for automotive components and through some bass in running passive is this because it's so much easier or cheaper or what?

They wasn't. I left them in the boxes and laid them down in the hatch. It was some ghetto shit. Lol

House stereo's do sound better but There in a entirely better environment. I ran some cerwin vega home audio speakers in a geo once they sounded ok. But some house speakers can go up to $1000's a set or even more for the really high end stuff so they should sound good. To me it just seems like over kill to run them in a car. I guess I like my house stereo aimed for perfect sq cause it's a lot easier and my car to just be rediculously loud like cracking the concrete as I roll down the block. In my cars I don't care as much about imaging and covering the frequency range I like really low low's and really high pitched mids and highs. I even try to adjust out a lot of my mid bass not all just some I think it might have something to do with my bad hearing but I have always preferred that sound in the car. But it's gotta be clear no distortion or rattling or anything else but music.

Am I wrong or isn't that a tweeter for a house stereo?

Welcome. You running anything now? Audio, performance mod's, wheels?

Your right everyone here is very helpful except one person, and I refuse to be nice while someone talks down to me, and makes little snide remarks. I have no problem with someone correcting me, or having their own opinion, but it's the insults, and condescending talk I can't tolerate. I'm a very easy going person and polite until you piss me off.

Sounds like you may have got a sub that slipped by quality control. But Jacob at sundown is one of the better owners so I would almost guarantee he will make it right and fix it or send you another. I have heard of him upgrading people with bigger newer amps for nothing so how many company's you hear of doing something like that. I have had nothing but good luck with my sundown team 12's.

Sealed will be easier and smaller but ported can be made to sound just as good if done correctly.

You are welcome my friend and Arron explained that perfectly. Now I know what's fact and what's just people's opinions. I always wondered about those Brazilian amps.

I don't need to learn a thing from you!

Ow and I just looked at some picks in your profile and your running 2 big JL slash 450/4's so that right there shows me you talk out your ^ss. You gave me a hard time for owning and liking JL even thought I also own sundown and crescendo while you yourself are running them. How hypacritycle is that?

And here is what I'm talking about^. Arron knew exactly what I was asking and answered it no problem and you as always spewed your BS fancy Yankee talk that's basically just jibberish that means nothing to know one and sertenly doesn't come close to answering a simple question. I get I may have been a little vague in my first question but the second was plain as day a blind man could see what I was asking and as usual you comment nothing but BS. Steve Meade was exactly right about you.

Arron answered no problem. He didn't just speak in generalities. "Well it's all install" no it's apparently not if the Korean and Chinese amps are known to take more abuse, and the brazilians are known to be delicate with voltage and vibration. And I apologize if I come off like a dick it just really seems like a few people around here "not you per say" can't just answer a simple question as Arron so clearly and easily did they just gotta talk non sense that doesn't even remotely have a thing to do with answering a simple question. If anyone doesn't want to talk or answer why even try and steer the conversation else where? Sorry but if I smell BS I can't just turn my head and pretend I'm smelling roses I ain't built that way I just call them like I see them.

I must be thinking of sonic electronics price, but you guys and them, have exactly the same prices on DC, except this one amp, that's what through me off. Like I said though, I could care less if you opened the box, if I needed the amp I wouldn't mind one bit, I would buy it just the same at the original price, as long as I was told up front about it, so I didn't think I was getting a return. I will give you guys that atleast you tell people it's a open box, I honestly think sonic just sells it either way, as long as it in working order and not damaged.

Thank you Arron you answered all my questions, and what you said is exactly what I have read, and seen with everything but the Brazilian amps. I have never used them myself but have read exactly what you explained. Why can't the rest of these guys be as helpful and polite as you? They seem to dance around the questions and never really answer anything for anybody.

Funny thing is I was comparing prices and sonic electronics and ssa where exactly the same except this amp which now is a $100 more all of a sudden. But like I said it's a perfectly fine amp it's not like opening the box changed anything so I was just curious why they didn't just leave the price as is and sell it. And I agree Arron and mark are great at helping people and selling this stuff as cheap as anyone I just can't figure out why the need to juke the price on a open box amp.

Well more what I was thinking is how do the Brazilian amps like Stetson and taramps put out so many watts for the price compared to say ampere or sundown. Are the Brazilian amps any good for daily setups on music or are they just more geared toward competition burps? I myself have always ran the zenon Korean amps or some of the better Chinese amps but I keep hearing the younger crowd go on and on about these taramps and how powerful they are for the money. And then I have heard others say there junk that burn up super easy. So what's the truth to these rumors.

Couldn't help but notice the price was raised by a $100 to offset the $100 discount which makes it the exact same price as before, which is fine since it's new and only been used to take pics, but why the need to make it look like a deal when it reality, it's the exact same price as before, or am I missing something here? And I'm not trying to be a ?ick just curious?

Yea me to.