Billy Jack

Dang man you are having all kinds of issues with your system I feel bad for you paying all that money then them screwing it up I hate stuff like that.

Do you also do them in smooth fiberglass painted?

I didn't change nothing you just have a problem understanding simple English so I cleared some things up for you. And you have no room to be talking about how other people sound have you read some of your old comments to other posters your rude as shit and very disrespectful and not just to moods your rude to other engineer's like Tony who is actually successful and doesn't drive a busted ol Chevy with some used JL in it. Ow wait you replaced those with some tiwan amps right my bad. I can spot a hater when I hear one.

Nope but I can read and I'm gonna assume if it says it has 4volts of pre out and it's a decent brand it's probably close. I know when I changed from 2 volts to 4 volts I had to turn my gains down a quarter of a turn so seems to me there real close anyways.

That last sentence sounds exactly like what I said. If a sub is rated at a 1k watts RMS and you run a 1200 watt amp with the gain turned down slightly then your subs will get all the clean power to reach there limit without clipping or distortion which will help both components. See you always suggest I'm saying or implying something I'm not then word what I'm saying differently to come out to mean the same damn thing. Let me take a guess here your a 40 something year old man who has no wife no kids no life and still lives with his mother. You where probably fired from your last job for arguing with the boss that even though he was in charge you where smarter and there for he should respect your authority. So you set back watching guys like Tony D'Amore get filthy rich and bang hot women while you come on SSA to insult and demean noobs so you can stroke your ego and feed your need to feal superior cause you got a degree in which thousands of others have also. It also sounds like your compensating for something like a little tiny short coming. Have I pretty much hit the nail on the head? Go ahead and tell us all how wise and great you are it's been almost 5 minutes since you told someone.

Yea sorry man M5 just took a dump in one of my threads so I couldn't resist the payback but I do appolagize to you. But honestly unless your running thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment it's kind of overkill. But on the other hand if you are a serious audiophile with a $10k+ system then it can be a useful tool.

I would talk there Mr clipping can't kill subs. You have no problem talking to others like dirt but get testy when your treated the same way. The word Hypocrite comes to mind. You was no where in the other thread until you came in all high and mighty to correct me and put words in my mouth and insinuate I meant things I didn't so I decided to repay the favor.

Honestly that amp isn't strong enough to blow those subs at any setting but running it wide open can over heat it and mess it up. Most small amps like that I have ever set up at that input voltage where always set at half or 3/4 the way up on gain. Now some of my higher end stuff where i was running more then the rms of the sub with 2-4volt pre-out I always ended up using 1/4-1/2 of the gain. Obviously this is just a rough estimate but I'm just giving you a idea of where it might end up. But the best way is to pick the loudest hardest hitting song you will ever play on your system, yes we all have that one song and use it to adjust your gain like me and a couple of other guys already said "by ear". You will be perfectly fine doing it that way.

Definetly don't need a scope if your like M5 and just buy a NVX and turn the gains and bass boost to 100% and say yep distortion sounds good and can't blow subs anyways cause my amp doesn't have enough power to push cheap tweeters much less a actual big boy sub.

Yes I understand having a tiny little NVX amp want blow anything but if you have a real amp that has enough power to push your sub past its mechanical or thermal limit then a clipped signal will in fact burn it up if your not careful. You know exactly what I mean but want to act silly and make it out like I'm suggesting something I'm not.

And are we wrong M5 by telling him to turn his gain up until it distorts then back it off a little until it sounds good or should he go buy $2500 worth of high end equipment to adjust a $200 amp?

But it's not on its own is it. He already said he had 4volts of input which is plenty and just like I said before I have never ever seen a amp need to have the gain and bass boost set to 100% at that input voltage. Maybe your junk NVX or PPI or Polk may need it but I haven't used or seen those in use except the 3000 watt NVX in which it took a entire suv loaded to the b-pillars to do a 151. Pathetic!!!!

Wait a minute just 2 seconds ago you said the amp was fine at 100% gain and distortion can't hurt anything. So which is it, it can't be both ways it either is or it ain't.

Uhh that's what I said already. I love how you always say I'm wrong then go and say the exact thing I said just in different wording.

What are the pro's and cons of Korean built amps compared to Brazilian and Chinese. And for daily spl builds which is better.

I didn't know D'Amore even made amps I know they make amp dyno's and DD1's and all that stuff. I actually learned something on SSA thank you! Ow and it's kind of sad that American bass isn't made in the USA. But what is any more. The Chevy heart beat of America is mostly built in Mexico now. I actually own the number one car for having the most American parts and being built in the US Dodge Avenger R/T.

What amps are left that are still made in the USA? Are the American Bass made in the US or are the zenon boards?

See ^ 4volt pre-out so 100% gain is more then likely 50% to much. Almost every alpine I have ran I ended up with the gain set about half way up that's where mine is right now and it's been playing for 3 years now with no problems.

Yes I know all of this but even at the lowest voltage modern h/u make 100% of the gain is more then likely to much. The only way I have ever seen a amp gain need to be turned wide open is if someone was using like a iPhone or MP3 player hooked directly to there amp never with a head unit even the cheap Walmart ones. That's what I was saying not that the gain ups the wattage everybody knows that or atleast they should. Why do you think I told him to adjust it the exact same way you did. Turn until you hear distortion then back it off a little. That's how it's done if you don't have the proper equipment to do it right and must do it by ear.

No doudt the sub can take it but I bet the amp is about to go poof if the gain is at 100% and sometimes when one goes it can take the other component with it. But yea you don't want to go to far either way like tripling the power to a sub even if it's a clean signal or having a amp rated at 1/2 the subs rms running the gain at wide open is not good either. A perfect scenario is having a amp rated just over the subs rms and turning the gain down a little so the sub gets good clean power and the amp doesn't strain to push it and has plenty of headroom and it also provides more sound quality.

I don't know where you heard clipping doesn't kill subs but that's exactly what kills them. The signal is turned into heat and all that heat will burn your coils. But to much power can also kill them by overdriving them into mechanical failure.

If you turned the gain all the way up your definetly clipping the amp, and sending the sub a distorted signal, which will burn it up. A distorted signal will burn a voice coil faster then over powering a sub with clean power. Just adjust your head unit until you hear distortion, then back it off just a bit, then do the same on the sub amp. It's not gonna do a whole lot, cause, well it's a entry level amp, and sub that's more for just filling in the low's, then moving a lot of air. If you feel you need more bass, just use the amp on your highs and mids only, and buy a dedicated mono amp for your subs so you can feed them some clean power. And if all that ain't enough, just upgrade subs if you have the funds of course. But definetly don't just turn your gain to 100%, you will fry stuff like that it's just a matter of time. And if you wanna know if a amp or sub is hot, just touch it. You can feel the dust cover on a sub, and tell if it's getting too hot.

Lmfao?

I was just about to ask that very question. Good to know I might have to try a set on a active set up since everyone says there better.