Billy Jack

If all amps are the same, why do you never see boss, or NVX at world finals. Why would these guys waiste thousands if a bunch off NVX amps can sound just the same. Or if there exactly the same why is NVX so much cheaper then say sundown, is Jacob really robbing us all?

What do you mean bass added to them I have always heard bass on Pink Floyd we used to bump that's shit in the 90's all the time. I have heard of slowing the songs down to make the bass lines longer but to me it sounds just like the original. And if it isn't it's something new to me I haven't heard of.

Amps burn up all the time from bad parts, but yes abuse will definetly do it, but I'm talking about just normal use. I don't care what you got eventually it's gonna mess up no matter how good it is. I used my Alpine 9887 for 10 years in 4-5 different vehicles but it did eventually lay down but I more then got my money's worth. And on the other hand I have had sony's from walmart go out in a few months. Are you can't tell me some of these cheap Chinese amps are gonna last as long as these well built Korean amps. Or even some of the better built Chinese amps (JL). I got one of those in the shop right now it was a original slash 500/1 and it ran everyday for over a decade while the cheap 4 channel MB Quartz went out after a couple of years on the same system with the gains set a little low. To me it's not worth fixing so it resides in the top of my closet and the JL got sent out to be fixed. $200 and I will use it another 13 years. And I'm not saying I have never used cheap equipment, I have had tons of all kinds of equipment from sony's from Walmart to $3k dollar MMats amps and I would always choose the better built stuff if it's something I plan on keeping. Like my 13w7, HD1200/1, and Sundowns I will just send them back have them fixed and keep right on using them forever. And when these small company's like so many go out of business your stuck with a paper weight.

So you actually think your NVX is gonna sound just as good and last just as long as a Hertz, ZED, Mmats, Audison, of the same wattage. And I'm not talking about old AB I'm mean the new ones with today's technology. And the problem with that is the cheaper manufacturers lie, you think you could swap a hifonics BRZ3200 out with a MMats 3000.1 and still have the exact same sound, I say no way in hell, not to mention when the BRZ burns up in a year the MMats will be going for 10 years. If all amps where the same company's like MMats and JL would go out of business and everybody would just buy pyramid or boss amps. Just to shut you up I will swap my buddies 3k watt crunch out for my nendo 3500 and we will see if 3k is 3k. Ow and you guys always say a few hundred watts more want give a audible difference so it shouldn't matter one is 500 watts more right.

You never said no such thing, apparently you can't read your own text. What you actually said was "you didn't AB?.... you should have, it would be a huge revaluation to you," then I asked what AB was, and Arron answered, class AB amplifier. So now do you see the problem? And once again we where doing just fine, until you came in with your confusing nonsense, that only you can understand. Even Arron didn't understand what you where saying at first, so no need to come in now, and ADD words to what you actually said, to try and belittle me. And I have switched out plenty of amps, and it's bullshit you can't tell a difference cause sometimes, not always, but sometimes you can tell a difference if their different enough. And even if there was no difference in sound, there is plenty difference in build quality, reliability, style, and efficiency. And that's why I don't like the NVX mini amps, there week plastic little China shit boxes, that want hold up like some of the better built stuff. It's like saying a cheap ratchet from Walmart, will turn the same bolt as one from snap on, but neglecting to mention it will strip out the first time it's strained and the snap on will take a far bigger beating, and even if you do break it from normal use, they will stand behind it, where with walmart your on your own after 30 days.

Uhh yea, that's what we where saying. I may have worded it funny, but I meant what could you alter to gain db's. For me it was floor mats, hatch, windows cracked, center console open, and glove box open. And you even said yourself, if I heard AB power It would be a revelation and that they sounded better, but now it doesn't? So which is it?

I can remember using a Sony disc man on a little stand that bolted to your dash and hooked into your cassette deck. Man those things sucked the least little bump and your music went by by. Even some of the first in dash CD players would skip like crazy just from bass. Basically anything from Walmart, and Kmart would drive you nuts. But we did have some great sounding A/B amps back then, I wish I would have saved my Phoenix gold, PPI, and US2000X amps. If I ever come across any M100's or MS275's I'm buying them and having them repaired.

I have never liked the pioneers all my buddy's ran them but I always went for Clarion, Eclipes, or Alpines. I ran a few sony's and kenwoods but they where just temps until I got a better unit. I would like to try one of those new pioneer active units I hear those are great for sound quality. I will probably just upgrade to the alpine 800 dsp with the optional controller. My 137bt alpine is ok but not as good as my last 9887 I had on a 2 way active in my truck.

Yea I got the 1996 Z/28 my senior year in high school and began building my system and car a few pieces at a time. It was my only bill so it went pretty quick. Somewhere around 97/98 I got 2 of the L5's and one of the zx2500's, then about a year later I ended up with 2 more L5's and another amp, so I took out the hatchbox, and had a buddy build me a wall in my back seat. We had the batts stacked up in the hatch area, and the amps where mounted facing the back glass. Then some where around 01-02 I think I traded out subs when the L7's first came out. I said 90's cause that when it all got started, but it was in the 2000's before I ever metered it. Before that I had a Toyota hatchback with 3 12w6V1's and a Phoenix gold M100 and M50. I had several different component sets in that car I traded around and upgraded a lot. I wish Eclipes hadn't went out of business I miss there old head units. Now I use the alpine there as close to the eclipse as I have found but just not the same. Aww those where the days.

I found it while I was hunting for another Crescendo 3500. You where very helpful, (Arron) so I figured I would check the forum out, and I originally only read it for the first few months, then decided to chime in.

That's actually what I switched from, I started out with the 5's and when the 7's came out I traded them out.

That poor windshield wiper is about to come off and go to the moon!

I had a Fbody Z/28 with 4 square L7 kickers, on 2 ZX2500's, and a hatch full of optima yellow tops. It was a ported wall that did 151.3db in meca in the 90's.

I wasn't gonna ask at all. It's kind of obvious you meant a spl build. I swapped out cloth floor mats for rubber in the camaro to I forgot about that until you mentioned the ducts.

Really that gained you some db? I have heard of opening or closing the vents but never removing the duct work. That's a new one on me.

Obviously your definition of bum-fuck-you-got-a-pearty-mouth and mine are different. In Kentucky 3/4ths of eastern ky is no cell coverage, hell your lucky if you got running water, and cable hear, and forget about cell coverage. Our idea of remote is, you drive 40 miles from town, turn down a Hilly dirt road, and drive for another 30miles, then hit a atv trail for 50 miles, then get off and walk to the top of a mountain, then your in the middle of no where. Anything short of that we consider subburbs.

Where good, no big deal as long as the point gets across, that's all that matters to me. I have no doubt you guys are supper busy, and can't take care of every little detail the second it happens.

Has anyone had any dealings with GP audio store online. Interested in their customer service, and if their a reputable company you can trust. Thinking about buying a 4 Channel for my highs mids, and they got the best price I have found on B2 audio, and also American Bass but the B2 is what I'm interested in.

See frog knows what's up! Trust me I try everything and it just locks up and I have to post a empty comment just to clear the messed up comment. And I can delete the entire comment, but I can only type in the other persons quote box, and it want let you move the cursor back to my comment. Plus I'm doing it the same way I always have just like the pics it worked fine before so if it didn't have glitches it would now to.

Some amps on proper electrical can handle low impedence loads better then others. I would feel much safer wiring a mmats or DD amp at .5ohm, then I would say a hifonics or Audiopipe. My nephew wired his 3200 watt Collossus to .5ohm and it lasted a little over a week. Luckily sonic electronics took it back and sent him a brand new unit no questions asked. Now he has a sundown saz2500 wired to .5ohm on the same subs, same everything and it's been going strong for over a year and a half. It does get hot but nothing like the Collossus, you could have fried eggs on it.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it don't. ^ I tried on the quote above, and it just puts blue lines around it and want let you do nothing until you post it. It want even let me type except in the quote box. And I can't post pics any more either, it worked for a couple of day and now it just gives me some error code like before. So I do the best I can.

I'm using that very concept in both my builds. 2 13w7's, one HD1200/1, and 2 sundown team 12's, on one crescendo 3500. I do plan to add power, but for right now it's ok, even at half power on both. Well they where I should say, I'm waiting on boxes for both my cars. But they where installed that way in my last 2 cars.

Well that depends on the task at hand. $75 dollar job on someone's ride, then yea I will do my best to do it right the first time. A quick comment typed in a hurry, and a online forum that has bugs, and don't exactly work right anyway, well half ass is good enough. And before you say it work's fine, this very comment was supposed to have your last comment on it, but it doesn't.