Billy Jack

Yes, but I never had a problem with talking to fellow competitor, or a kid wanting to know something about my build. But that's just how I am, I will talk to anybody that's interested unless I'm busy getting ready for a run or something, then I would just tell them to give me a minute or catch me after I done my run. Just seems kind of snobby to ignore fans of the sport who traveled a long way just to check out your stuff and have questions. That's one thing I always like about Alma she was truly the best without a doubt but she was super friendly and would talk to anyone. I saw that little old lady speak to gang bangers. She was what we all should strive to be.

Bro, that's exactly what I have been doing. You need to go back and read, and see for yourself. I'm not the one who can't let shit go. I can be having a good discussion with who ever, and here they come to start shit every time. They always bend, or flat out change, what I'm saying, to try and start a argument and bring up shit from months ago. I asked them to let it go for the good of the site, but they just want, or can't, for some reason. I admitted I made mistakes, not good enough, I admitted I have read things wrong, and been wrong, still not good enough. So what am I to do, just set here and take there abuse silently? Screw that, if I'm in the right, I will defend my position any where. I have read 1000's of old post on this site, and I can see exactly why no one hardly comes here. If you guys want to put up with there mouths, just because they know a lot about one hobby that's fine, but I treat people how they treat me. You show me decency, and I will gladly do the same, wheather I agree with you or not.

And is that the reason they try and run off anybody that they don't know personally, or has a different opinion. Kind of reminds me of when you go to a out of town meet, where you don't know anyone, and you look someone's ride over and try and speak to them about it, and they either ignoreg you, or get all snobby, like their the king of bass, and your $10k dollar system ain't shit. Don't get me wrong everybody ain't like that, I have met some great people competing, and learned a lot from others, but seems like every meet, and forum, has 2-3 snobbs that feel like it's all about them, and their word, is the final word on everything.

And isn't that basically what IHOP is, 2000 pages of just talk?

That makes since. Basically the bottom of the dash would be hollow and the bass waves would roll right up and through the defrost vents.

I never said the exact same. I said the same at your lowest unclipped level, which want be much, as soon as they're turned up any at all the NVX is gonna start to fade quick, where the HD is gonna sound far superior at higher levels. See you always gotta bend what I'm saying, or leave out parts to fit your childish argument. How the fuck Arron, and Mark, let you bully everyone on this forum, I will never know, I would have lined your plows long ago if it where my site. But ow well carry on with your childish mindless rants.

Well luckily I don't have to since I bought my amp from a reputable company I know, and they already have done it. All I had to do is compare the specs to know it's a far superior amp. Now if I had bought a company's amp that claimed 5k watts for $199, then yea I would know it's bull shit and have to test to find its true output. And I didn't bring up the amp thing so let's see your guts.

Problem is what you think you have measured, and quantified as facts, are not true, they're just subjective facts you have convinced yourself are facts. Like saying your NVX, will sound just as good as my HD1200/1, at the same level. Technically it will, but the part your leaving out, is how mine will draw less current, output the same wattage over a wider impedence range, has a greater S/N, so lower noise floor, greater dampening factor, so better control which all will equal what= better sound. And as it took better parts to make such a amp, it will also take more abuse, and more then likely last a lot longer. But yes it did cost more so it should. See I'm not answering by brand loyalty or emotion I'm basing my opinion on hard data that can be measured.

I think we all just need to let things go. Start over for the good of the site. I have already admited I was new to online forums, and made some obvious mistakes. It's obvious we come from two different camps on what we believe works best for our needs, and that's fine. I don't have to agree with what you do, to respect your right to do it. But at the same time I don't want to be talked down to because of my beliefs, i.e. Sometimes you get what you pay for, passive is easier for some, and I'm not a fan of cookie cutter equipment with a new name slapped on it.

Yes sounds like you did a little to much. You have basically turned your car into a speaker box, more or less. Kind of like when exhaust manufacturers develop drone free systems, they don't want the pipes resonating the same as the car. Or at least that's how I always understood it. I know they put a small valve into the pipe, to let out just enough volume, to expel the gasses without full volume resonating. Then at full volume, it opens 100%. What you have done, is basically seal it up so tight all the sound is trapped.

Here is the very question I asked so that argument makes zero sense. Just more back peddling. Why don't you just admit Shawn got off topic, and assumed I didn't know about blind test dude did in which I said I have read many times. See even when you guys are wrong you still try and bend the truth to fit your warped argument just because you don't like me. I have said it many times but I will say it again if you don't want anybody here just ban them problem solved but why fill the forum with mindless arguments over a misunderstanding months ago. I let it go why can't you 2. Everybody else doesn't seem to have a problem discussing things with me.

I don't think your gonna need that cutout anytime soon, unless you just beat it to death, with a lot of dirty power. Send it a good signal, and you should be good to go for the life of the vehicle, and then some.

You forgot to floss didn't you? I see Shawn is a lazy wiper! And I have no problem with him or anyone giving me advise but that's not what he is doing. He is coming in and saying I'm talking about something I'm not then going on and on about how I don't understand. Trust me I understand perfectly but if he's gonna play the fool I will play along to. You wanna talk to me like I'm a man then fine I will treat you the same, but if you guys want to continue bending and changing what I'm saying to fit your argument well we can just carry on this way it seems to be what you guys want. We where talking about GP audio and B2 amps and he starts with, did you blind AB. Even Arron thought he meant comparing topologies of amps AB Vs H but he meant testing two totally different amps at the same adjusted output which h would reveal nothing but identical sound, cause well the output is the same we all know that. But what I said was is that all amps aren't created equal, a 1k watt boss is not gonna put out the same numbers as a 1k watt Zapco if both amps are set to max unclipped power. So you can see it wasn't what I was saying that needed correcting or was false information for the noobs it was Shawn off in his own world talking about something else that we weren't talking about then you jump in on this thread to back him up. I honestly don't know how to spell it out any clearer. If you guys don't like me and want me gone just ban me no big deal life for me will still be awesome I could care less, but don't ask me to kiss your ass while disrespecting me because you may or may not know more I ain't built that way.

You came here to kiss Shawn's ass and back up any old nonsense he says. At least brush your teeth before reposting.

Back peddle much? I love how you get on your period start shit on me then try and blame me for it. Same story different day.

You guys just look for any reason at all to start your shit on me. I didn't derail this one Shawn did by assuming I meant something I didn't. The rest of us where doing just fine until you two come in and start A off topic discussion. This right here ^ shows both your intentions.

It is to yours but not mine. I never once said the exact same wattage would sound different, I said not all amps are created equal, and manufacturers lie, so just because some of these company's claim your buying X amount of watts doesn't mean that's what your getting. Hence why you could switch out two amps and tell a difference it's just basic math. More true wattage, dampening factor, more efficiency, the better it's gonna sound.

Wrong! I post from past experiences. I will give you an example. One of the local shops where I live used to hold competitions, and give away prizes for best spl, and sq. Me and my friends would always enter. One year Rockford Fosgate came out with the new punch line of amps, and my friend offered to sell me his Phoenix gold M100, and M50, after he metered it. So he runs the car hits a 148, on 3 12w6's identical to mine, box and all. He sells me his amps, walk inside and buys 2 new punch amps, the 1k and a highs mids amp. I don't remember exactly what it was, but anyways he meters the car again after we hooked everything up and set them up, but this time he only hit a 146. Then I roll up on the same subs, same car, Z28 and hit a 149 with the amps he just sold me. He was tore up, and asked if I would sell his amps back, but I wanted to keep them. He walks right back into the shop, returns the Punch amps, and buys two new Phoenix identical to the ones he had. So basically it ended up costing him $750 just to try out the new punch amps. Personally I would have just kept the punch, but he had plenty of money, and wanted the best he could get. But that showed me right there all 1k watt amps where not created equal.

And what exactly was I wrong about?

Having to guess what the hell someone is talking about is not guiding anyone to anything, it's just confusing and a waste of time. And I never asked him for any answer anyways to be sooooonfed lol.

Yes I know this, I have read about the guys test many times, but what I'm saying is that these cheap amps that claim these huge numbers for $199 are full of shit, and will not sound like a good brand amp that accurately rates, or even under rate's their amps. It's just simple math. More power, less distortion, and higher dampening is gonna sound better even though both amps claim the same 3k watts. And I'm not saying you can't get good power for cheap, you can but they're usually horribly inefficient, and you end up spending more on electrical upgrades, then you would just to buy a good efficient amp. I never said once the same wattage and everything being identical would sound different obviously it wouldn't it's the same. Shawn just implied that, so I indulged him since he seams to love acting like everybody is dumb, and he is so much smarter then us all. I even said that manufacturers lie and that's the problem, your not really getting the distortion free wattage they say you are. And even when you do like with the little NVX amps they have cut corners some where to sell them cheap. I judge equipment by what I see and hear I know if a company is saying here's 5k watts for $199 it's bullshit and want last long. But there is also a flip side to that some company's sell way to high even for a good product the UL12 comes to mind $10k my ass no sub is worth that no matter how good.

As are you! Just like always. But for some reason you feel it's ok for you to infere things about what I'm saying, but get your panties in a bunch when the same is done to you. And we gotta guess at what your saying, cause you never actually type a decent quote, you just speak all cryptic, and secretive, like we should figure out what your saying. If you want people to understand you, say exactly what you mean, and stop going, "well think or figure it out."

Nobody stated any facts, just their opinion, in which they think is a fact. If you guys want to trust power acoustic, or NVX, to give you 3000 watts for $199 go ahead, but don't expect me to believe it's gonna be as good as a DC, or Sundown 3k. Hell they may actually do 3k watts, but I would almost guarantee, it's gonna be some nasty clipping, and have no control over the sub, it will just be a noisy boom, that's all over the place, that want last long from distortion. But ha what do I know, I just been building, and installing, most of this stuff for 25 years.

How about just saying what you mean, instead of talking all cryptic, and secretive, so people can understand what the hell your talking about. And once again I will remind you, your opinions aren't facts, nor are mine. I like different stuff then you and that's fine who cares, but if your gonna call my stuff trash I'm gonna do the same it's only fair. And a lot of this stuff is subjective unless we are talking hard math so it's possible for me to hear or see something you don't. It doesn't make either one of us wrong or right just different. The problem is you have a problem with anyone having an opinion different then yours.

So if there not the same, how is listening gonna sound the same. Next time I stop at my buddy's house, I will swap out my crescendo, for his crunch 3k, and we will see if what your saying is true. I'm gonna go ahead and say, my amp will be twice as loud, and have a considerelbly lower noise floor, and not be near as sloppy at 1ohm. As soon as I do it I will let you know the results. I may even get him to join, so he can give you his opinion to.