*update* i took a trip to a local rip off shop ( good guys) and had a listen to their in ceiling speakers. They had quite a few so i was happy with that. Now, to the nitty grity... They were all basically Klipsch, which i have no problem with except the price. 1st i had a listen to the 8" IC, was pretty nice, definetly pumped out the midrange and some low end. http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=847 So...i went further down the line to the 6 1/2" IC with the titanium tweeter. These sounded awseome except the titanium tweeter was very bright.http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=845 Lower and lower i went the less treble/less vocals i heard. These ones were just what i was looking for:http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=849 Tweeter wasnt as harsh and they were just a bit cheaper. But... i dont think there on ebay so i might have to get the titanium ones. These were just weak sauce: http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=717 treble wasnt as nice, sounded nothing like the higher end ones. Bass wasnt as pronounced either. Now, would you guys put the CS-650-RSM in the back and the R-3650-C in the front ? They werent THAT bad, but i wouldnt use them for a front stage. P.S The swivel tweeter makes such a difference, i moved it away from my ear and i couldnt hear any treble at all !