heftybone

i believe I've kept my composure and am just trying to defend my way of thinking. I'm not bashing anyone, in fact my post to m5 includes a compliment to him. well i might've just bashed jay-cee, but he kinda called me a troll. anyway, that's the way i think and feel and just because some people don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. if I've never gotten bad sounds or low hit then i don't see why everyone thinks it was wrong. i would agree with all of you if i experienced distortion or that shabby waning sound that some subs do at higher hz, usually in a box they've gotten from the local dealer, which is to spec. I've never had anything but nice smooth deep sound throughout the range with hard hit. can't we all just, get along?

dude, I've seen alot of your posts and you just follow behind the popular guys and agree with them. so yeah, i won't feed the trolls!

Your posts say that you don't. VERY clearly.dude, i may not have a technical knowledge such as yourself. as you seem to know alot about this. what I'm wanting to know now is, how do you know what won't work if you've never tried it? is it just because your learnings say different, or because an app says that it won't work? i enjoy learning more when I'm trying different things. i don't understand how let's say a 12 can be any better than what I've gotten out of them. i could almost flip a quarter on the roof of my vw fox with 1 12 in a bandpass in the trunk, I'd say that's pretty good and i don't see how it could be any harder except with more power as that one only had around 400watts goin to it. it was a 600rms sub if i remember correctly. like I've said, the bottom line is that I've never had a sub box that didn't sound good or hit hard. and I'm not ignorant to the potential of subs, i know when a sub isn't reaching it's full potential. so how could they be better if they are hitting hard and sounding good? by making sure they utilize the exact air space? I'm sure they where though, or else they wouldn't have sounded good, right? granted, i do not know as much as you about the correct spec building method, but i know how to measure a box and say, well that's 4cubes it's too much and back it down. I'm not just blindly throwing pieces of wood in a pile, squirting glue all over it and callin it a box! i do add some screws too! seriously though, if i make the port longer then it calls for, what's gonna happen exactly with the sound or feel of the bass? am i going to diminish the quality or the feel of it? i assumed it would sustain the notes longer. again this is me experimenting and just because you say it's not good isn't going to stop me from trying. you can build boxes to spec all day long and assume that something different isn't going to be good. but until you try and see for yourself, it's always just an assumption.

oh, and i don't have a system at the moment, I'm just building a box for the fi sp415 I'm gettin. i changed it from the sq hdc4. and yes I've been talking with nick at fi and he's given me exact specs on magnet diameter and taper length and everything i need. he doesn't seem to have a problem with anything i want to build for that sub. and he made the damn thing! hell he's encouraged my experimentation.

i never said that you called me ignorant. i was talking about how you said 30 years of building the wrong box is 30 years of needing improvement. i was simply stating that I'm aware of the potential in sub woofers, and i do attain said potential. if i don't like the way it sounds or hits, then i change it. i love bass that punches you in the gut then smacks you in the face! I've never had a problem with any of the enclosures I've built lacking bass or musical quality. except for the 18 i put in a trash can, an the 12 that was in a bucket. both very hollow sounding, but they still hit fairly well, kinda like a bass tube after we stuffed some shit on the inside to muffle the resonance of the plastic. but i didn't build those enclosures, rubbermaid did!

my system is lacking bass, yeah right! i can shake my rear-view mirror to the point where i can hardly see out of it!!! oh yeah, that's 2-15's baby!!! i got almost 200watts goin to em too! i know it don't get no better then this!! heeyuck!

this is amusing, you think I'm so ignorant that I've been content with some shabby bass all my life. yeah the little 8" sub i had on my bike when i was 14 was shabby, but yeah. for you to make an assumption like that, well let's just say that I'm not ignorant. and i asked a question of is 6" too close to that sub. just wantin someone with experience with that sub, not subs in general. and why in the hell do you think the only subs I've ever heard have been mine? that's ridiculous. serious dude, I've been to alot of places in my life, we didn't always have the internet, you know.

like i said about the enclosure I'm doin now, I'm tweakin the port to make it longer because i want to see what it does. am i screwin it up? perhaps, but again, i will fix it if it is. here's what I'm gettin at though, i will put a video up on youtube of this finished product when it's all hooked up and before the sub is broke in and as the box sits regardless if it hits like shit or not. then we can all see what i can do. I'm not bragging by no means, i just know that when people have assumed that I've had 2-15's and it was one 12 in a bandpass that i built (and just threw together!), then i must be doin somethin right. and no, it wasn't just one occasion with an ignorant passer-by, it was all the time, everywhere i went with that particular setup. that jl did some work, baby! anyway, I'm just not afraid to experiment, there's that word again, you guys should try it sometime, evidently you'd be surprised at what you can come up with! hahaahaaa, you guys should see wjat i intend to do to my 01 cobra when i make a competition level system, I'm gonna have the subs behind the front seats, firing toward the back, and have as long of a bandpass enclosure as i can make going into the trunk amd back into the cabin. it's gonna be fun fun fun!!!

So because there are thousands of idiots on youtube, doesn't mean you have to follow them.Research bandpass vs ported box. Edit: I saw M5 already explained most of it. i wasn't doin research off youtube man, that's just somethin i watch for enjoyment. i build what i want (which i kinda explained in my short story of a reply), and however it turns out is how it goes. i surely don't follow the crowd, but if i like somethin then i might use it for inspiration and build from it. for me, it's all about what i want and like. if it turns out good then great, if not then I'll do it again and again until it's right and i like it. I'm not afraid to experiment and build somethin just to tear it apart and do it again. but I'll say again, I've never had a box turn out bad, i.e. with shit sound or no bass. they've always slammed. and with some of the cheap subs I've had and the hit that I've achieved with them, I've never screwed it up in my opinion. bottom line, I've always been happy. and that's what it's all about, right? The problem with saying they turned out great is that you have no reference point. If you actually designed the enclosure properly than perhaps you would have a better appreciation after listening, but until then you're content by ignorance. I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's sort of like someone building an engine and being content because it makes 300hp, but it could have been improved upon and made 500hp. But in comparison to an engine in a honda civic it's great. the last time i built up an engine, it was an 89 lx 5.0, and i built it around my budget. it made close to 500hp, had 10:1 compression, pete jackson timing gear, windsor jr 58cc heads and gt40 intake and a 347 forged stroker kit. it was pretty bad ass. that's not the same as me building something, i can apply my creativity to something i create, and do things differently then the regular person does. kinda like an outside the box type of thinking. i don't follow the clones of the earth that do what they're told and conform in peace. talk about content through ignorance, or whatever you said. i know it's right there^ somewhere, i don't care. it's not ignorance when you've seen box a and box b and you just want somethin different. so to say I'm content because i haven't experienced anything elss is ludicrous, i haven't been in a cave for the last 30 years, I've seen plenty. hell what's funny is these guys that have the exact spec boxes, and they're shakin their mirror, and happy because it's hittin! I've never been like that, i can see the potential of a sub and usually influence the enclosure to release it. I'm never a victim of conformity! it's a shame that so many people are, and don't even realize it!

how do i know what i want? that's a silly question. i don't know what i want, that's why i experiment and try new and different things. kinda like trial and error, but with a creative touch. I'm an artist at heart, and I'm very creative with my drawings and sculptures, how do i know what i want when i make a metal figure that stands 9' tall? i don't, i just start welding and see what happens, so that's the kind of thinking behind a sub enclosure, or anything else i build. and how do you know that they could be better with a little more effort? have you ever heard anything I've made? then you can't really say they could've been better. I'm not new to the car audio bit, people. I've heard plenty of boxes from store bought, to dealer bought/made,(which is exactly to spec), to custom to extreme customs (which is what i like to call mine!), and the ones i build sound the same as a properly measured/calculated enclosure and hit just as hard, and harder in alot of cases. the one thing you guys are missin here is that there's not a sub out there that says "must be exactly 4.325 cubic foot", they all range with a couple cubes variation, so of course whatever i built is gonna work, because it was always close to whatever the recommended specs where, like i said i just didn't calculate or anything. 1x1x1 is a cubic foot, so go from there. it's not rocket science!

So because there are thousands of idiots on youtube, doesn't mean you have to follow them.Research bandpass vs ported box. Edit: I saw M5 already explained most of it. i wasn't doin research off youtube man, that's just somethin i watch for enjoyment. i build what i want (which i kinda explained in my short story of a reply), and however it turns out is how it goes. i surely don't follow the crowd, but if i like somethin then i might use it for inspiration and build from it. for me, it's all about what i want and like. if it turns out good then great, if not then I'll do it again and again until it's right and i like it. I'm not afraid to experiment and build somethin just to tear it apart and do it again. but I'll say again, I've never had a box turn out bad, i.e. with shit sound or no bass. they've always slammed. and with some of the cheap subs I've had and the hit that I've achieved with them, I've never screwed it up in my opinion. bottom line, I've always been happy. and that's what it's all about, right?

for the record, most of the boxes throughout my life where sealed (the rest where some sort of bandpass). and when i say i didn't measure, it was more like didn't calculate exact air space. i never took into account speaker/support displacement or the fact that this speaker might like 2.5 cubes, etc... rather, i just built to what fit in the car, or what i wanted at the time. they where always around whatever the speaker called for, which was usually 1-2.5 cubes. as most of them back then (we're talkin late 80's early 90's), where usually either pyramids or jl audio. always 12" though, as I've always liked the sound of a 12, especially a jl with a precision power pushin it. man, that was a killer sound, that just can't be matched. even with a jl amp today. there's nothin like it. an i have to add, I've never blown a sub or had distortion. even though they where never spec'd, they always sounded good and hit hard (and I've been in vehicles with 8-18's and what not, so I'm not a noob to slammin bass!). and I've built alot of crazy boxes, that went around seats, or did all kinds of different angles, another example of not really measuring (in my mind anyway), but more just experimenting. but I'm older now, so I'm doin it right, and to specs. although i am stretchin the port a little. i just want to see what a longer port will do, as I've never built a ported enclosure. and never really liked them because the ones I've heard where usually full of muddy distortion. but I'm once more experimenting, but this time the air space will be exactly what the sub calls for. i figure if i do that then it shouldn't be muddy/distorted, right? and what about a longer port? I'm assuming it should give me deeper and more sustained bass notes. is this accurate, or am i screwin it up? if i do screw it up, i have it set-up so i can take the port length that I'm adding out, and have the right length of port, without having to rebuild the box. I'm also making it in such a way that if i don't like it ported, I'll be able to remove that and make it sealed without having to rebuild it completely. i love to experiment!

it seems that i jumped the gun, amd assumed the worse from my fellow forum members, i apologize to everyone for me bein an ass. it's just there's alot of people that like to be arseho's and i assumed that you guys where them. it was very early in the morning when i read that reply, and clearly i didn't fully comprehend the meaning behind those statements. i would like to ask that we put this misunderstanding behind us, as i appreciate the wisdom and experience of the members here. please accept my apology, and know from now on i will wait until I'm fully awake before i read and respond to anything! thank you. also, if i make idiotic statements, i will take full credit for the idiocy behind them!

and you still haven't said what the horrible logic is.

you tried to get me to understand by sayin the shoe fits? that doesn't really make sense. and i aint tryin to be william badass, I'm just sayin nobody acts like that in real life, yes, saying the internet and it's forums are a fantasy world. I'm not gettin emotional, i just want to know what's idiotic about my statements. and instead of saying that "x is idiotic", you just say the shoe fits. so i have to assume that there's nothing really idiotic, and you guys just feel like bein dicks to somebody. alot of people build bandpass boxes. I've been building sub enclosures since i was 14 and puttin em on my bike along with a hu, battery and 2 5" coax, with crossovers and a jensen amp. so yeah, that was idiotic, but it was fun and a learning experience, just like everything else in life. so i want to put a 15" high powered sub in a bandpass box. what is wrong with that? i see shit on youtube all the time where people have a bunch of subs in bandpass boxes. but I'm an idiot when i want to do it? or is it because i said i never made one to specs? i said before that it was just not exactly calculated, and I've never had a bad sounding, non-hitting sub. even from some pyramid super pros. anf i still don't get how you can say that one makes an idiotic comment, but they're not am idiot. just the comment was, but not you. ok. thanks for clarifying and i assure you that won't be the last idiotic comment that comes frome my fingers.

fuck you, man. what's the horrible logic? this place was cool as shit, but now it's turnin into smd! i bet some of you arsehos go there too though, don't ya? i really don't see why you guys are callin me an idiot because of an idea. is it because you don't have ideas of your own so you just pay people to hook your shit up? i like to experiment and play with my toys, if it's wrong then I'd just do it again until it's right. some of you guys really need to get a life, experience it for what it's worth and stop bein a clone that just takes what's handed to ya. I'd love for you fucks to be a prick to my face, but you wouldn't cuz you're just keyboard warriors. arsehos, leave me alone and get outta my thread!

i was gonna give it a try, but decided against it because i got to thinkin about heat build up. so now I'm just gonna throw it in my 5 cubic foot enclosure and call it a day. when i said i built boxes not to spec, i just meant that they where more guesstimates then exactly measured and calculated. they where always within range of what the speaker called for. and if one makes a statement that is deemed idiotic, would that not mean that the person would be an idiot that made the statement? or has einstein made idiotic statements? and i wanted a bandpass because i seen what i can do with a low powered 12, so i figured I'd try with a 15, but like i said, I'm gonna have alot of power so i got to thinkin about heat build up and i know that aint good. so i changed my design, as my second post stated. now I've also changed my sub, to the fi sp4 15, which they say is good in a sealed enclosure, but I'm worried about heat there too. anyone know anything about that. I've always liked the sound of a sealed box, so I'm considerin it.

dude, i went to lowes and got them to price match home depots common mdf with their premium mdf. $30 a sheet!

Congratulations on one of the most idiotic statements I've read on SSA. Only made worse by adding that you are thinking BP. Horrible idea.what exactly makes that an idiotic statement? and what's wrong with a bandpass enclosure? please share with me your knowledge, oh great one, for i am humbled in your wisdom. every bandpass box I've ever built has sounded good and hit hard, so what's the problem with them? and you came close to callin me an idiot, in fact that comment is borderline insulting, so please refrain from any negative comments like that. please, thank you.

well i hate to interrupt y'all's conversation (hahaha), but I've decided to go with the fi sp415 instead of the soundqubed. i know i am one indecisive motha, but that's just the way i am. this is it though, I'm definitely stickin with that one because it can go in a sealed box, and the box I'm building i wanted to do a bandpass, so the overall cubic feet took a hit. anyway, now i got about $500 for an amp so I'm considerin the ampere audio because it's gonna be like 4 months for those Synergy's to be shipped out, and that's if the preorder goes good. so yeah, i can't wait that long, man! I'm feenin over here! what's you guys take on the ampere aa2000.1? it looks good on the inside, has tiffany rca's and does some good power. and i can get it from ssa! so that's a plus for sure. i just hope they through in a free t-shirt! xl!

and i know it boils down to personal preference, but i haven't heard either of the brands outside of youtube, and it's always very distorted because of the mic. and i actually considered basing my decision on which had the most distortion in the vids, assuming that would be the one that hit the hardest! that was actually a joke. anyway, I've reduced my choices to either soundqubed or sundown. I'm getting a 15" sub, (either x-15 or hdc15) and a 2000 watt amp, (either scv-2000 or q1-2200). I've always liked the way jl audio sounded, and initially set out for the w7, but after some extensive research i really like both the sundown and soundqubed. i like the way the soundqubed sub and amp look, but i also like the fact that the sundown amp has a fan inside and more caps and transformers. the sundown sub has the high excursion surround, but the soundqubed has a 40mm xmax, so it's got a longer stroke than the sundown (assuming that the hdc15 xmax is measured one way as well), and with a 4" voice coil I'm sure it gets loud and hits hard. I'm not asking which brand is better here, hell i don't really know what I'm asking. i just don't have any personal experience with either brand and just want some of your opinions and advice. I'm going to be using an audiocontrol eqs and pioneer x7700bt with a seperate amp for mids and highs which i have all that worked out based on past experience and price. this is going to be a sound quality system for daily enjoyment. so any advice, help or opinions would be appreciated. also please don't hit me with the whatever i like better cuz it's up to me shit like i see so many other threads do, this is what a forum is for; discussion. if you don't want to talk about it because you've seen it so many times then just move along. thank you.

thanks for the email help, fellas. i sent the message, so hopefully those amps will ship soon. if not, I'm gonna have to go with somethin else. I've waited too long already for this build, and although i wouldn't mind a couple more days or so, i can't sit around for any more months, the time is near and i grow restless for some bass!

i tried to edit that post, but i couldn't. but anyway, forget it i changed the design.

yeah, i might have to wait for that synergy. it's definitely very nice. when do you plan on them shipping? and what kind of discount are we talkin about here? also, do i have to pay in full to get the preorder, or is it gonna be a 10% down kinda thing? another thing, gmail said your email address in that link was no good. you can pm me with the info if you like. i checked out the taramps, and seen some bandas and some pures while i was at it. the taramps and bandas where nice, but damn small. and the innerds that i saw wasn't that impressive. the pure on the other hand was giant and the guts where amazing. if i don't go with the synergy, then i think the pure has my vote. one thing that's odd to me is the fact that both the taramps and bandas had options for 1ohm and 2ohm units. does that mean that they'll only do 1 or 2 ohms, or what? also don't get me wrong, the taramps where phenomenal units to do that much power in such a small package. as long as they do rated, which i think they do or at least close.

dude, definitely likin that 25.1, and a damn good price too. i replied asking when they are gonna ship. i may have overlooked it because that was some pretty guts. i really liked that one. damn, i forgot to see if it had high-quality rca's. I'll only buy an amp if it's got the screw-type rca's. i know I'm picky, but that's just somethin else i look for in an amp. it shows quality.