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Honestly, I can't believe you're surprised with that response. Why would they waste their resources sponsoring some local podunk competition or a competitor who only competes in those local podunk competitions ?? They could have worded it a little more delicately, IMO. But sponsoring you/those events would be a complete waste of their capital.

Wish I could have attended.......

The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook would be a good place to start. Has many of the formula's regarding parameter calculation, etc....plus you can look up the references Vance used for writing the book for further information.

How fun a pair of these would be in the HT http://cgi.ebay.com/University-Horn-for-24...oQQcmdZViewItem

This is one of the few times I'm glad I live where I do. Madisound is only 2 day shipping, PE packages I receive next day if I order before their 2pm (or whatever) cutoff time, and Meniscus though I've never had to use them is only 2hrs north of me. Apparently the manufacturer they were OEM'd for; Maybe for these ??; http://www.innersound.net/kachina.html

Happy Belated B-day !!

Just bit the bullet & ordered (6) CA21's, (3) 27TDFC and two bucking magnets. That'll give me my two mains plus the center (bucking magnets for the center channel mids). Then all that'll be left is the two rear surrounds, which'll probably be the same tweets with the CA18RNX this fall sometime..... Hopefully it all works out well & I didn't just waste $300 that I probably shouldn't have spent to begin with You might see a build log on all of this around August

Maybe when I have more time and money Jim

Yeah, it's in my car. But at the moment I'm not utilizing it's full potential, or even remotely close....and with working on the HT this summer it'll probably be next summer before I get around to doing anything more to the car again. And no; you can keep the DX-28

Ology Audio lives..... I thought he had fallen off the face of the earth since he hadn't been around any of the forums for....like....a year "I started out trying to commission a 6.5" OEM driver with a partner, but that didn't go very smoothly, so I'm working on it all myself. " LOL

Heh....I was actually thinking about that earlier today after your previous post about running them active temporarily....actually seemed like a pretty simple solution to just run them off of the car active at various xover points. Wouldn't be perfect (finite xover points FTL), but would be a good starting point. I knew that H701 would come in useful eventually

Maybe it's because I haven't heard any yet....but I have this preconceived notion in my head that single-driver units wouldn't have the....stamina, I guess...to keep up with some of the demands that I may place upon them. I was, however, getting frustrated and about ready to say screw and just go active using my JBL 2241's up to 300hz or so, BMS compression units up top and the Audax PR170M0 to fill in the gap in the middle Sensitivity FTMFW?! But then I realized the wifey would be pretty upset if I spent our honeymoon money on speakers, amps and an active xover/EQ

Yeah, I thought so too Especially with the CA18 being double the price

Maybe I should just grab a PC power supply and run the H701 in the house.....

Yeah, I think this one just might fit the bill. Hopefully Madisound doesn't sell out/isn't out of those Seas drivers when I go to order. Going to give myself a day or two to think about it before I jump the gun....but I really can't see much else that would top these within the same price range. Even the Dayton RS drivers, the pinnacle of budget drivers, are more expensive and require much more complex crossover design. Also....on the passive design w/ the Seas drivers....I figure even if I start out with simply a "modeled" (i.e. standard, non-optimized) passive design now that is always a future upgrade I could do to the speakers when I have more time on my hands.

CLIFFNOTES: Madisound has the Seas CA21REX in 4ohm version on sale for only $28 and the Seas 27TDFC/G for only $27 (same as 27TDFC only with a grill). I could build an 8ohm nominal MTM ported floorstander possibly even using the waveguide mod (which I like) from Zaph's TMM 2.5way. Pros: Good drivers, good bass response and should have good midrange, and should fit inside my budget well. Cons: Would have to design the enclosure & xover myself (though most using the Seas CA mids & Seas tweeters are capable of using generally simply xovers). Little long, but atleast this post is finally heading somewhere....so stay with me a moment if you're still reading as this I would really like some opinions on; Speaking of Seas, I was checking out Zaph's TMM 2.5way design utilizing Seas drivers the other day and really liked the design, but not the price tag. Searching around on diyaudio.com here recently, I had run across the Seas Njord DIY kit Seas had posted on their website. Peaks my interest; Good quality drivers and very simplistic (read: very cheap) crossover. And I have faith that Seas wouldn't release a DIY design utilizing their drivers that would result in horrid sound. So, I jump over to Madisound to see if they would happen to have any of the drivers used in the kit still in stock (older kit design using discontinued drivers). And what do you know, the research reveals a Seas CA21REX for a very attractive price! Yes, I might be in luck! But after a few seconds I quickly realize that this is a 4ohm version, not the 8ohm version in the plans Oh well, wouldn't be hard to change the value of the inductor for the 6db/oct xover used in the plans. And it appears a VC change is about the only difference, so distortion performance/etc should be pretty much the same....slightly lower Q due to the different VC but no big deal really (also has a MUCH lower inductance according to the info on Madisound, however). But then I'm back to something I wanted to avoid; A 4ohm load in the mid/bass region....something my receiver isn't recommended by Pioneer to handle. And I certainly don't want to spend the time and money on speakers that have the potential to be at odds with my receiver. But then it struck me......This is a blessing in disguise!! This is actually PERFECT! Utilizing 4ohm mids I could run an MTM alignment with the mids wired in series for a nominal 8ohm load! And given the low Qts, they are perfect for a vented floorstanding alignment just as I was wanting! Should provide very good mid/bass yet still have relatively articulate midrange and I could even borrow Zaph's tweeter and waveguide mod from his Seas TMM design. Madisound even has the Seas 27TDFC/G for a slightly lower price; Identical to the tweeter in Zaph's plans only this one has a grill.....which I'm guessing I could save myself $10 over the non-grill version, remove the faceplate and subsequently pop off the grill. So total cost of drivers would only be $166+shipping....well within my budget. Ofcourse I would have to design a passive crossover and enclosure myself....but so far most of the designs I've seen utilizing the CAXX series of drivers have been able to produce good results with "minimalistic" crossover designs.....another benefit of these drivers.

Holy bloody hell. This is probably the hardest audio-related decision I've ever come across. I feel like a friggin' n00b again So many choices, so varied opinions. And I can't listen to a bloody one of them before making my decision. I think I've ruled out any design utilizing the Dayton RS drivers as the cost of the crossovers are too expensive due to the response of the drivers. Other than that......I haven't been getting anywhere on making a decision. And my receiver arrived today, so I wanna get this show on the road.....

Dammit, you guys are starting to talk me out of the cheaper option If I went the RS route, those MT's you have Acid would work out good for the rears. I've heard both moderately good and some not so good about the D8's. Most have stated that they work good for HT, but music displays some of their compromises. Since this would be mostly used for HT, I wasn't as turned-off by their music performance. But I do want something that's listenable with music aswell. Topgun; How much for a lower cost are we talking ? Any good non-Dayton designs? I don't want to instantly jump on the RS boner without investigating the other options

I've looked at designs utilizing the Dayton Ref drivers.....but at double the cost, I haven't sold myself on them yet.

Agreed 100% Raammat is one of the hardest to beat values on the market. Preferred it over Damplifier. My feelings are literally word-for-word identical to yours.

pucking STOKED !!! TOOL is going to be in a neighboring town on June 23rd and I just scored my tickets :slayer: :dancing:

Do you absolutely need a receiver? Could you live without a tuner? Part of your problem is looking at stuff that's sold in Best Buy, you're not going to find deals that way, on BPC (Black Plastic Crap) <-------- But yeah, it does need a tuner. All of my CD's reside in my vehicle...so most of the time when we're listening to music in the house it's the radio. I'm not looking for audiophile quality home audio....just something to breath a little life into movies and better quality audio than what I have now (10yr old Magnavox bookshelf system). Looking at the Pioneer VSX-816. Good internal power @ 100wpc, full preamp outputs should I get a hair up my butt and want to up the ante to external amplificators, has all of the AV I/O that I need and it's under $300 even at retail. Brad I picked up an Elite Thx receiver at a pawnshop for $250. Complete all the way down to Burr Brown DAC and autoswitching on digital in. I wouldn't ever even think of buying new anywhere near that price range. If you don't have $700+ to spend buying used is going to be the only reasonable solution in my book. I don't know how in the hell you guys find these deals in pawnshops. All the pawnshops in my area ever have are cheapass equipment.....NEVER have anything worth even considering purchasing.

I know....not a bloody chance in hell......but it was a nice dream.....

It's like the stars aligned for me :slayer: