Cr@sh

I would like to add to this thread. I was at a 2X point show in Taylor,MI on saturday the 12th and there was a competitor with 9 kinetik 2400's and was charging them @ 16.5 volts. I asked him if he had any problems he said none! he said as long as you cycle your charging you'll be fine. He had a DMM on them showing 16.5 when it sat @ 16.5 he would turn the voltage lower effictively cycling them and charging them full out without issue's. I witness this first hand. The guy was representing Roadrage sound out of Ohio and did a 160 in the db drag with the Kinetik's and 4-15" american bass oh yea and those chitty hifonics brutus's that don't do there full 2600rms.

So there were no improvements or changes made then? Well thats a relief This is not the case and all box programs are wrong. Any insight on what Thiele and Small's models are doing incorrectly? It will tell you to put it in a 3-4 cubic foot sealed box for a +/- 3dB output through the spectrum. Follow what we ask, the guidelines aren't hard ant nobody has any issues with them. Parameters are done just need to be put up on the site, Scott has them. If you want i can do what 85% of the industry does and manipulate some numbers to satisfy you crash ..you'd never know the difference. By all means post what you have like the original op had asked! if you have them or can get them from scott, I would like to see the 15" btl or do I have to start a whole new thread in which to beg from????

So there were no improvements or changes made then? Well thats a relief This is not the case and all box programs are wrong. Any insight on what Thiele and Small's models are doing incorrectly? lol, good luck! apperently FI products break all the laws of physics and therefore cannot be measured by the industry standard!

Im using the new 15"BTL I have 12 cubic ft to work with, 20 if I want it but easly 12 so 3 per sub. My calcs give me 30hx8wx10L on the port according to nick's suggestion of 3-5 cubic ft per sub.

I would like to just see these: Vas = Equivalent air compliance (litres) Qts = total Q of the driver at its resonant frequency Fs = resonance frequency of the driver (Hz) Dv = internal diameter of port (cm) Based on an SPL design or high frequency, not the typical 33-35 hz cenario. I am looking @ 45hz for my tuning and like the guy above before I start chopping into the 1" MDF I want to make sure of a few things.

So there were no improvements or changes made then? Well thats a relief

But those recommendations were for the older version of btl's correct?

Wait till you hook it up I was impressed running mine @ 4ohm , can't wait to see what it can do @ 1ohm.

haha good luck! I have looked everywhere for the fifteen inch btl. There is UK site that sells there stuff with the parameters but from 07 models I think.

Scott took care of! thanks again!

I recieved my order today or part of it. Can someone please look into this? I came home to 3 woofers on my porch, I can't beleive the shipment was not made to sign for! I ordered 4-15" btl's and got 3!!!

I have owned a few of them back in the late 90's and never had a problem with one of them nor has any customer I had.

Sounds like you got right nice system there

Thanks man! I will continue to recommend these amps to people until someone can show actual proof that they are not worth the money. Like helotaxi said why would you pay 500 bucks for an amp that does 300rms when you can get one that say's it does 500rms but actualy does 300rms for 200bucks?

Not just hate, but I havent seen one person that can show actual proof by testing one and then showing the results that they suck. I have read twenty threads now saying there garbage but not one person who said it actually owned one or at least proved it. Looking at the guts from the SAZ amps and the 2608d looks the same to me! grant it I dont have a SAZ amp in my hands to check the actual components to see if there high quality or the same. Ofc every person who has a SAZ is going to say there high quality components but do they have actual proof where the parts come from? The fact is most if not all parts are from oversee's just some companys hand build them here and some don't. I paid 410.00 for mine so after hearing it today I was happy.