no good, do you have a link to the ebay sale ? (BigJon) It is/was the one you found BigJon..... Why did you say, "no good"? I realize buying a sub off of Ebay in most cases would be il-favored, but this thing looks unused and is was being sold buy someone who knows less than i do, not some snot nosed kid nicknamed Thumper that has to Silicone his rear window in every few weeks....(joke, and....sorry Thumper!) 450W should be fine for me, I listen to TOOL more than anything and I just wanted to clean up the low end. Piece and Peace....appreciated.