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95Honda replied to fearlessgangsta's topic in Amplifiers / Head Units / Processors / Electrical
Never a reason to run separate ground wires 99% of the time. Waste of money. Normally, you make your electrical system worse by running the separate ground... -
Electrical what to buy??
95Honda replied to Dexter Chaos's topic in Amplifiers / Head Units / Processors / Electrical
The fuse is for the wire, not the electronics, size accordingly. Just make sure you didn't by CCA. If you did, upgrade to copper before you install anything... -
The power handling does not change with wiring configuration.
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Goddamn Jon, lol... And yes, higher efficiency doesn't indicate output capabilities either, good point Impious... There are plenty of 100db drivers that can't tolerate more than a few watts... So many people disregard modeling programs siting them as not real world. But these modeling programs are what will help you make the correlation between output capabilities and power requirements for said output. And it takes many parameters to derive this. But it doesn't require one parameter, and that is the RMS rating of the subwoofer... There is much more to be learned from modeling these drivers (and all drivers on earth model as predicted if you know what you are looking at) than here-say on an internet forum...
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As an aside - My old Coustic DR amps accepted balanced input via dual RCA inputs per channel. -And that makes perfect sense...
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This is what I am getting at, the truly balanced signal components do not pass those signals on RCAs. They use connections and cabling specifically designed for differential transmission. DC won't induce noise, correct. Any AC component that is also on your DC cable (alternator ripple, ignition harmonics) can be induced on to your signal cables, but it is normally so low in magnitude, it never gets anywhere...
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I would also like to see a car audio source with RCAs and identical phase inverted signals on the outer shell and inner pin... Just don't see it happening, but I could be wrong...
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The original PDX amps were confirmed by werewolf to have differential inputs per the service manual back in the ECA days. The designers at JL and JBL are pretty smart cookies....from the posts from Manville and Andy, respectively, I would readily believe the amps they indicate to have differential inputs truly do. Seems like of all of the things to falsely advertise, differential inputs would be a bad choice given the first time someone tries to drive it with a balanced signal and the amp goes pop, there would be a lot of liability there. From what I found skimming threads a while back some BMW systems use balanced line level signal transmission and people have been splicing in directly to the OEM system by using amps with differential inputs. Yeah, I just don't see the logic here. It is pointless to have differential inputs driven by a single ended source. I can cause a myriad of problems. That is why I wonder if it is some kind of modified/quasi balanced circuit. RCAs were never intended to be a part of a balanced signal chain. This is why I think there is some BS going on here. All circuits are differential at some point in a push-pull amp, anywhere past the splitter/inverter is balanced, there can be some creativity in how this is described to the customer.
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I have read about some companies claiming differential balanced inputs on RCA's, but it just doesn't make any sense. You just can't exploit the benefit of differential transmission with an RCA connector, never mind the fact that most sources are not balanced, so that actually makes things worse if you truly have a balanced amplifier input. My guess is they may be running some kind of quasi-balanced input, I just don't see the reasoning behind true differential balanced signal on single ended connectors, with single ended sources. I think it is more off an attempt to float the input cutting down on ground loops than differential operation... All truly balanced equipment I have dealt with has truly balanced I/O connectors, be it XLR, Phoenix or barrier strips, never RCAs... I would have to see a schematic of the amplifier to see if it is truly balanced, but that is pretty tough to get sometimes, so I will probably keep my BS flag up on this one until shown otherwise...
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This is primarily due to the fact that the attributes needed to ensure retard-high thermal ratings kill efficiency... It is a double edged sword...
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The rating has no correlation to output level...
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For sh*ts and grins, can you please explain why you thought the RMS rating had to do with output? I am not going to be a prick and try and tell you your dumb or something stupid like that, I am just curious as to why people are always saying this...
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The RMS rating is the thermal power limit of the voice coil. It isn't a power requirement, it isn't a figure to match amplifiers to, it isn't going to tell you how load a subwoofer will be in the slightest. It is the most useless specification given by a manufacturer. All the RMS rating tells you is how much power you can continuously ask a voice coil to handle before parts begin thermal breakdown.
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are dual sub boxes with a shared chamber bad?
95Honda replied to mason_herold's topic in SPL & SQ / Fabrication
They don't even need to be fed the same signal, actually... -
There is no correlation between the RMS rating and output levels in any way whatsoever... At all...
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Show me the schematic of an amplifier that has true differential inputs on an RCA connector... The only car audio amplifiers I have installed that had differential inputs were Butlers, and they had XLR connectors, of course... Some Adcom and Macintosh gear ran differential signal I/O, but again, on XLR connectors...
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My RMS statement is for any line of woofers...
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Nothing you did will help you in any way. Setting a gain at a fixed frequency only works at that frequency, with that test tone, on that CD, at that battery voltage, at that exact settings of everything in your chain. If you change anything, which you already have, everything is null and void. You simply cannot set gain to prevent driver damage under any circumstances whatsoever. You need to use your senses to tell you if you are damaging anything...
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There is no such thing as under-powering. If you ever over-powered them, they would fail. So you never over-powered them...
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Don't buy any German equipment, it is all extremely over-priced, even if you can use a VAT form. You can get everything for the stateside price via APO shipping, as long as each item is under 75 pounds... Praktiker an Toom both sell 3/4" (19mm) MDF. I bought probably 20 sheets while I was there. I just got back from 4 years there and was ordering monthly, I sold a lot of gear to the Germans... Don't buy any German stuff(!)
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The RMS rating has nothing whatsoever to do with how much power a driver needs, how loud it will get or how it will sound. In fact, it is the most meaningless spec you get when you buy a driver. It also has nothing to do with matching up an amplifier. All it the RMS rating tells you is what power level it takes to drive the voice coil into thermal failure.
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Again, the "order" refers to the roll-off, not the actual physical configuration of the enclosure. 4th order refers to the alignment attenuating roughly 24 decibels per each octave on the bottom end (and the top on a band-pass). You need to fully understand this before you press ahead designing anything for yourself.
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All it takes is one little spot, and then all down hill from there... Hopefully you get this sorted out...
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Honestly, the part where the big hole is has signs of something (from your car) rubbing there. Once that happens, the rest tears itself apart easily. I have seen this a ton of times...
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The amp is a single channel. I has a few extra places to stick wires, but there aren't any extra channels. you can't bridged, strap or do anything else with a single amplifier. They put what looks like extra channels there to make it easier for you to get a bunch of wires hooked up without cramming them into a single set of holes. Do not buy CCA ever. It is a marketing gimmick. It is lower performing (greatly) to the same awg copper. Additionally, aluminum in any form is inferior to copper in all aspects electrical. The amount of copper plating on the individual strands is there for color appearance more than anything... Buy welding cable, it is better quality to price ratio than any car audio branded cable. You don't need to fuse the - side, one fuse blows in the circuit, the whole circuit stops current flow.