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I never thought cider on ice was a good idea...... I drank 7 22oz bottles of the honey crisp on Saturday night. That stuff has me converted. You are right though, some of it is not so great.

When I used to deadlift, I would do it every week. I never went for weight more than I could do 5 times in a row though. Some people will tell you once a month, but I know Olympic guys who would do a huge heavy 1RM and then do light deads another day. Hell they did powe cleans too and that is just a dead lift + extra shiznit. I would only NOT do an exercise if it caused me pain. Not soreness, but pain.

Stefan, here is a really really really really really good article I suggest you read. http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/ Honestly. It is gold. Read part 1, 2, and 3. The philosophy behind everything and when you see the $$$$ math add up you may just decide you want a .22 or to only shoot for giggles rarely. It's a HUGE money sink.

Again do what makes you happy. Just understand that if you DO enjoy this hobby you are out money. It's not like buying a billion watt amp and sub without getting the alternator done too, just not using the amp to its potential. Cheep scopes are like head units that may or may not play the music you want. And it's unreliable as to when they will. Especially since they may loose their zero. I'll be blunt, you saying you can't justify the expense is based on a false premise. If the scope don't work, even the best rifle sucks. The best scope will at least be a baramoter of how good or bad the rifle is. You said you would spend more as time goes on. Just wait until that time has gone by and get something worth while. As I said, you don't want to hear it. You want to shoot NOW, but it's just my .02.

Then again... I am the D bag who purchased a scope with the intent to buy a rifle. Now I have a super delux scope in the basement with me..... and no rifle to put it on! LOL :-D

Maybe I am being a jackass and pissing in your cornflakes over the optics issue. I just hate to see you get burned. Even Leupold's specs page has some issues with the scope that just don't make a lot of sense. That cost for that many functions smells to me is all.

You won't listen at all Stefan, but I would re-evaluate your thinking on the glass. Sean is right and so is Ryan. Unless the scope is free any money spent on it will be a waste if you want to continue shooting. Also if you buy a decent used scope you will be able to resell it for a good price. So your net loss will be much closer to zero if you buy a better used product. Maybe Leupold can do it, but I cannot imagine that scope being built well for that price considering all the different specs it has. I'm just skeptical.

That is a fantastic rifle to start with especially since you are a tinker nut. Everything can be upgraded and with a .308 bolt you can swap into something like a 6.5CM and have a laser beam. They are all the rage. It will take a LONG time to shoot out a .308 bbl though. I checked out some more shops today, and pretty set on it now. After glass, it seems a decent stock, and possibly trigger upgrade can make it pretty trick without burning the wallet too much. Which is perfect because I don't mind spending more money if it's spread over time. The stock is only important if you shoot quite a bit. So just use the 700 stock until you know what you don't like. I know some 700 triggers can be adjusted. I wouldn't worry about that at all though. You won't know what pull you want until you have spent some time with it. .5 pound trigger may be cool on bench rest F class shooting, but if you do ANY tactical shooting you will want much heavier than you think. Tactical meaning not shooting from a bench There are 2 major components that will affect how you shoot. #1 the barrel. #2 the glass. As long as the bolt, the trigger, and the stock do not critically fail, they will not affect accuracy much. It's all just seasoning. The REAL cost of shooting is the consumables. Mostly that means brass and barrels. For guys like me it also means gas to get somewhere to shoot.

That is a fantastic rifle to start with especially since you are a tinker nut. Everything can be upgraded and with a .308 bolt you can swap into something like a 6.5CM and have a laser beam. They are all the rage. It will take a LONG time to shoot out a .308 bbl though.

Awawe cute. Something I could trust the wife with.

Happens to the best of us!

I will check those places out. Most of what I found online is similarly priced to the local place after shipping etc. What is seasoning a humidor?

Hookers and blow my man.... hookers and blow...

I'm off like a prom dress fellas. I need to regroup and think. Time for a bike ride and a snack.

TOP!

good luck hommie!

I read that story about the little dutch girl blocking the dam. The movie looks much better.

You got the boat, I got the booze and stogies.

Ok... so about Ashton. I have now had the pleasure of 3 of them. They do not have the huge 60 ring size I like. They are really pricey... and both have formed holes in the wrappers while smoking. Neither sat for long, and though they are not in a humidor(I need one badly) They did have a humidity control pouch in the plastic bag with them and were kept at reasonable temperature. Here is one more brand that I will say treated me right with my most recent purchase from them. Olivia. I have had a couple that I would never try again, but maybe I was just pointed to the wrong flavor. The most recent one was just my speed though. Rocky Patel is just fine too. They are not as tightly packed usualy though... sometimes that causes issues with the wrapper. Like the Ashton. But they are a little cheeper sometimes. They also have so many sizes you can get a shorty if you want that. Humidity packs last only so long. If you cover shipping I'll send ya a nice desktop humi. Also where do you purchase your stogies? Might be some place cheaper that could provide you some real deals. J Right now I buy from a place called stogies on grand. I'm going through trying some of everything and I get a 10% or something back. Like every 500 bucks gets me a $50 gift certificate. I don't know about online vendors. Most of the good deals I have found have a TON of cigars I don't want. And even if I gave them away or sold them for a couple bucks I would be at a loss. My uncle lives way up north here in MN and gets about a large bundle for 60 bucks of "imperfect" ones and those are pretty good. Nothing fantastic, but great for sitting on a lake "fishing". Thanks for the humidor offer. How big is it? I have never, ever researched buying one so I know nothing about them. I just buy the packs every month or so.

I really want the rock controler for mine. I'm about to give in to temptation.

Ok... so about Ashton. I have now had the pleasure of 3 of them. They do not have the huge 60 ring size I like. They are really pricey... and both have formed holes in the wrappers while smoking. Neither sat for long, and though they are not in a humidor(I need one badly) They did have a humidity control pouch in the plastic bag with them and were kept at reasonable temperature. Here is one more brand that I will say treated me right with my most recent purchase from them. Olivia. I have had a couple that I would never try again, but maybe I was just pointed to the wrong flavor. The most recent one was just my speed though. Rocky Patel is just fine too. They are not as tightly packed usualy though... sometimes that causes issues with the wrapper. Like the Ashton. But they are a little cheeper sometimes. They also have so many sizes you can get a shorty if you want that.

I would pick so.many other guns first. Even if price was all equal.

If you ever make it down here, I will take you to Middletons in Annapolis for Oyster-shooters. Most of the Oysters come right off the boat in the Annapolis harbor from what I understand. That sounds good! Ever get a wild hair and try one?

Lol With that game everyone wins!